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Subj: Posting to Big Bend NP Page
Date: 3/11/2006
From: m-schuler@ti.com
To: eiderbob@aol.com
CC: markncora@comcast.net, m-schuler@ti.com

Glad to see the page is back up, but I cant post to it. I tried numerous times but it comes up as invalid post. What am I doing wrong?

I am headed home so please reply to both emails above thanks.

Mark Schuler

Subj: Re: Posting to BB page
Date: 3/11/2006
To: m-schuler@ti.com
CC: markncora@comcast.net, m-schuler@ti.com

Mark,

There may be two things you are doing wrong. Certain words are not allowed. They are cuss words or words used by spammers such as ass, tit, com, pharmacy, ect. These words may also be imbedded in real words such as pass, title, ect. The other problem is in order to post, you must enter the encryption code at the bottom of the post page. It has to be entered by hand and cut and paste will not work. You have to type the letters just as they appear above the input box. It is case sensitive.

Elder Bob
PS. if you still cannot post, send me the posting and I will post it for you

Subj: Re: Posting to Big Bend NP Page
Date: 3/12/2006
From: m-schuler@ti.com
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Thanks for the information. Now I see what I was doing wrong. I was using the word pass in my posting. Have to change it to p@ss so it gets by the filter.

Mark Schuler

Subj: Glacier National Park Chat
Date: 3/24/2006
To: doggy_dog15@hotmail.com

Doggy

Silverwolf is converting all of the chat pages to the same format the requires an encryption key in order to post in hopes of cutting down on the spammers and other robots that post massive postings on the chat pages. It is taking time and I have no idea when he will re-do GNP Chat. In the meantime, you can go to this link for information:
http://glacierparkchat.com/chat/
It is a board style chat instead of the thread style. Enjoy yourself and do check back once in awhile to see if Silverwolf has restored his GNP Chat.

Elder Bob
/index.html

Subj: Glacier National Park chat page
Date: 3/24/2006
From: bobd@marshallusa.com
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi ElderBob,

I know I have seen your name mentioned on the Glacier National Park chat page.......Can you advise if it was taken offline......Last messages I see date to November and I cannot post from my computer......I thought you might know what's up on that site......they usually get some traffic during the winter months regarding X-country skiing, snowshoeing etc. along with requests for info on upcoming summer vacations.....

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on that forum.....

Bob Ducanis
bobd@marshallusa.com
Marshall Mfg. Corp.
200 Imperial Blvd.
P.O. Box 655
Cape Canaveral, FL. 32920
office 321-784-5548
fax 321-784-2576
http://www.marshallusa.com

Subj: Re: Glacier National Park chat page
Date: 3/24/2006
From: EIder Bob
To: bobd@marshallusa.com

Bob

Silverwolf is converting all of the chat pages to the same format the requires an encryption key in order to post in hopes of cutting down on the spammers and other robots that post massive postings on the chat pages. It is taking time and I have no idea when he will re-do GNP Chat. In the meantime, you can go to this link for information:
http://glacierparkchat.com/chat/
It is a board style chat instead of the thread style. Enjoy yourself and do check back once in awhile to see if Silverwolf has restored his GNP Chat.

Elder Bob
/index.html

Subj: RE: Glacier National Park chat page
Date: 3/27/2006
From: bobd@marshallusa.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Elder Bob,

Thanks for the info on the GLacier National Park site............yea, the spamming was getting pretty bad over the past 2 years........It really is an informative site for those planning a vacation.......My wife and I have enjoyed Olympic National Park the one time we were there and hope to make another trip within the next year or two.....

Thanks again for the info on the chat sites.......

Bob Ducanis
Cape Canaveral, FL



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Subj: Flapjack Lake Correction
Date: 2/19/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Bob

I have seen this mistyped date before..from the flapjack article on your website.

"Flapjack Lakes got its name because there are two lakes side by side of the same size and from above appear to be a flapjack that has been flipped over. I remember my first trip to the lakes in the middle of the 11000's."

Hope you are not that old.

Mike

Subj: Re: Flapjack Lake Correction
Date: 2/22/2006
From: eiderbob
To: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM

Mike,

Thanks, it has been fixed.

Elder Bob



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Subj: Staircase History
Date: 2/17/2006
To: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM

Hi Mike,

I found the web page I was looking for that had another version of the history of Staircase. Try this link and scroll down to see what I added. I found it in a google cache on it.

Elder Bob
http://www.freewebs.com/onphistory/ELDER/STAIRCASE_AREA_1.html#EL8

Subj: Re: Staircase History
Date: 2/18/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob

Thanks I will,

We are in the middle of an arctic freeze coupled with high winds...trees are coming down like crazy...We were headed to the Ferry to Anderson isle when we heard that the dock, which while facing the onslaught of the northerly flowing storm, blew into Puget Sound. Never a dull moment up this way....glad I wasn't in the olympics this day. It was the coldest feeling storm ever for me... they said the mountains were -50 degrees.

Mike

Subj: Re: Staircase History
Date: 2/18/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Bob,

I can see you've done some editions to the Elder Bob website... will have to favorite this site into my new computer..and try to keep up to date on the postings. I was reading tonight about the guy who was praising the existence of the people attracting shetlers. Let me say that I never saw or heard a discouraging word from any of the very few people with whom I crossed paths with while staying in the shelter. The 13.4 mile trip into this area with a 40 pound backpack was not an easy hike even for an excited hiker. A 5000 foot ascent most of which took place after the first 9 miles was pretty difficult for the most hikers. I watched people toddle down the last half mile of the hike with painful bodies and could imagine the excited hearts in the tired bodies... like I was many times...wondering " is anyone in the shelter?" I don't think there ever was anyone there ahead of us. It was always empty especially in the early summer, or the late fall. And usually no one came, only the resident marmots, and the browsing elk who would remain in the meadow until they saw someone moving around. The constant companions were for the most part heavenly clouds and mists and and our more intimate friends the sun, the moon and the storms that brought your consciousness to bear on the moment. The rising sun on Mt Steel flanks was seen and appreciated by a slumbering hiker ensconced in the H.S.H. Shelter. An occasional bear who if he heard you or saw you or smelled you would abide, but if he got any two clues together he would be gone.

I had such an encounter with an undomesticated bear on the divide above HomeSweetHome. How close was I to this bear? 5 to 10 yards..waiting and watching for some minutes until I sent out the second clue of my existence and off went the bear. Fear was a definite fact for me at that moment but as I watched I became very curious of the direction things were taking, but my bear friend was very interested in the berries at that time of the year..until he caught wind of me or heard me. Usually the bears that I met in the Olympics were heard and not seen..they are a timid bunch before they become accustomed to people and their departure is urgent and loud sounding.. their movement makes loud noise in the otherwise hushed wilderness.

Well, thanks again for the neat website...with such place names as the Big Log...Shady Lane, Two Bear Camp, Nine Streams, Camp Pleasant, Mt Steel, the First Divide*.Thanks Bob I need to say that to you because of your great website........I recommend it to those lovers of nature listed above in the Cc: section. And to the reluctant warriors who takes on the Olympic profile that confronts us daily here in the PNW.

Mike

*first because the O'Neil party came from the south in the time of exploration... ?

Subj: Re: Staircase History
Date: 2/18/2006 7:13:12 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

Oh, very nice of you to quote me in the article. The further I retreat from those days, mostly the mid 60's to the mid 80's, the dearer they become. We just don't appreciate to any large extent those heady days of our youth until they return to us as as cherished memories. beautiful memories which words can't express.

Hey, I have another reason to go back there this time without pack and heavy loads..I have made that southern side trail, the slow one, but I would have a view to see signs of earlier trails. I told you before of the road the parallels the new road some miles before Staircase campground...the canopied road which any one can see just enough of to suggest to the viewer.. is that an old road back there! you see a horizontal line that always suggests an old road, however covered in mosses and lichen and all kinds of debris.

Mike

Subj: Re: Staircase History
Date: 2/18/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Bob

Ah, was at REI yesterday..looking at a topo map, Mt Steel! They have change the homesweethome designation to HSWcamp! It use to be HSW shelter.

Mike

Subj: Re: Staircase History
Date: 2/23/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

WELL, ONLY ONE OF THE MANY RECIPENTS, READ MY EMAIL AND SAID SHE WOULD VISIT THE SITE. Daughter didn't fall far from her genetic tree as she calls me. Just bought a VW Bug like her dad 30 years before and she has done the 11 hour hike to and from Half Dome in one day. Only I was crazy-enough to hike the 22 miles from Mowich counter clockwise around Rainiers Wonderland trail and back in one day...up and down, and up and down endlessly up and down...with a pack to keep me company. Daughters version to Half Dome was done with no pack and very little water.

Maybe Tom Alden my hiking buddy and his former wife Helen and her twin daughter will visit the site, hopefully.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimberly Smith
To: MICHAEL CHARLES JUDY SMITH
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
Subject: RE: Staircase History

Dad

Love this email from you. What a great and interesting read. It draws great mental pictures. Will have to check out bobs site.

Kim



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Subj: Cabins and Shelters
Date: 2/15/2006
From: rwbrown@wtp.net
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Bob,

I just read some more of your website, and I especially enjoyed the articles and photographs of Mr. Chrisler's shelters.

I have an appreciation for rustic cabins, and pursue pictures of old structures every chance I get.

In 1994, I used part of an inheritance to have constructed a 26'X40' cabin at the 6,500' level of a 12,000'+ mountain halfway between Cody and Yellowstone. I don't spend as much time up there as I would like, but it does make a nice retreat when we can go up. If I can find an image in my archive, I will enclose it with this email.

I found one photo, which I have enclosed. I might add that I wanted a rustic cabin, but between my wife and the con- tractor, I wound up with a cabin so tight that the mice can't get in. A packrat burrowed beneath the foundation, however, and I have "calling cards" underneath. Whenever I winterize the plumbing, I now wear a respirator and spray Clorox. Packrats aren't known to spread hantavirus, but if a packrat can get in, so can a mouse.

If you know of any other cabin photos, I would like to see them.

Bob

Subj: Re: Cabins and Shelters
Date: 2/15/2006
To: rwbrown@wtp.net

Bob,

Glad you liked the stuff on Herb Crisler. Hope you visited the site that belongs to another person that has a lot of information on him and his wife. He was quite a photographer. He packed cast iron stoves into some of the cabins he built in ONP. Hope you looked at all the old buildings that I have photos of on my site under the History of ONP. Also look at the old lithographs of YNP that I have.

Elder Bob



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Subj: Olympics or bust
Date: 2/7/2006
From: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Have you been reading Smitty's book,yet? I would think this book raises questions in your mind, it does mine, I just checked it out for the 3rd month... Read about Mt Hopper last night, and Mt Steel and how the trappers stayed at H.S.H. a Century earlier during their summer trapping rounds. Oh, Smitty highly recommends a stay at Home Sweet Home for anyone who listens(circa 1981). "personally recommends this site as an overnight camp." I stumbled in their one night in the early spring..in the dead of night on 10 feet of snow and passed a person in the middle of the night on my way down from the First Divide..The most curious event meeting someone at that time of night on snow...1975? very queer, this..no words were exchanged, nothing ..just passed someone! maybe it was a god or a goblin! could have been Smitty!

Poor folk some of them never got to see the Olympics. It nice to have a buddy who has done all those trips to the wilderness, someone who has been enchanted with it...talk to you later, Mr. Bob, keep young if only in your thoughts...

Mike,

PS
Then theres the girl on the trail in her tent , but I told you that ....

Lets go crosscountry from the Hamma Hamma to the Duckabush via HSH..in our dreams... mostly high country...Mt Pershing, Stone, Steel, and Hopper will traverse these peaks visually as we journey. We'll be gods for a moment in time.

Subj: Re: Olympics or bust
Date: 2/8/2006
To: YOGISMITH9@MSN.COM

Hi Mike,

I did not get a chance to read the whole book. It was on interlibrary loan and I only had it for a short time. I did like what I read. Glad you are enjoying the book. Guess it was not a bad idea for me to ask you to get it so you could send me the information on Staircase.

Elder Bob



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Subj: Glacier Peak Map
Date: 2/6/2006
To: arndt@u.washington.edu

Dear Daniel, On your Glacier Peak page you use to have a topographic map showing the route you used to climb the peak. It is not there anymore. Did you move it to another location? I would like to see it again.

Thank you,

Elder Bob
I now live in Arizona, but was born in Tacoma and grew up there.

Subj: Re: Glacier Peak Map
Date: 2/7/2006
From: darndt@gmail.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob, I fixed it -- it should work now. thanks for letting me know!!

Cheers
Daniel

Subj: Re: Glacier Peak Map
Date: 2/8/2006
To: darndt@gmail.com

Hi Daniel,

Thanks, it looks ok now. Did you have to buy that map?

Regards,
Elder Bob



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Subj: Roosevelt Beans
Date: 11/1/2005
To: azalbee@yahoo.com

Greg, I made them tonight using this recipe which is on Fixleaks page.

Roosevelt Beans
This recipe is from 'Roosevelt Lodge' at Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming via Web Babe's web site. Thanks Web Babe... :-)

1 lb hamburger

1/2 lb bacon, chopped into 1/2-inch dice

1 onion, chopped into 1/2-inch dice

1 (16-oz) can pork & beans

1 (12-oz) can kidney beans

1 (12-oz) can lima beans

1 (12-oz) can butter beans

1/2 cup brown sugar

2 Tbsp cider vinegar

1 Tbsp prepared mustard

1/2 cup ketchup

salt & pepper to taste Fry meats; saute onions with meats. Do not drain. Stir in next 8 ingredients. For thicker beans, drain the liquid from the canned beans. Place in a large, oven safe bowl.
Bake in 325 oven for 45 minutes. 8 to 10 servings

Jennifer said they did not taste like yours. What did you do different?

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Roosevelt Beans
Date: 11/1/2005
From: azalbee@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Bob, see my responses below. Good job making them.

Greg Greg Roosevelt Beans

1 lb hamburger

1/2 lb bacon, chopped into 1/2-inch dice

1 onion, chopped into 1/2-inch dice

1 (16-oz) can pork & beans

1 (12-oz) can kidney beans

1 (12-oz) can lima beans

1 (12-oz) can butter beans

1/2 cup brown sugar

2 Tbsp cider vinegar

1 Tbsp prepared mustard Cheap yellow mustard

1/2 cup ketchup

table spoon of honey

They always seem better if you cook them the night before, refrigerate and then then heat them up again.

salt & pepper to taste, light on the salt and pepper. I will substitute Mrs Dash.

Fry meats; saute onions with meats. Do not drain. Stir in next 8 ingredients. For thicker beans, drain the liquid from the canned beans. Place in a large, oven safe bowl. I do not drain the beans.

Bake in 325 oven for 45 minutes. 8 to 10 servings



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Subj: Corkscrew Bridge
Date: 9/10/2005
To: geysrbob@hotmail.com

Hi Geyser Bob

Do you have any information on Corkscrew Bridge? It use to be somewhere in the park and probably is gone by now. Thanks.

Elder Bob

Subj: RE: Corkscrew Bridge
Date: 9/10/2005
From: geysrbob@hotmail.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hello Elder Bob

This is the information I have from my book about it. I hiked down to it a few years ago and all was still fine. A mudslide on Sylvan Pass a year or two ago damaged parts of the main road, but don't know if it affected the old bridge, which is down in the bottom of the canyon on the east side of Sylvan Pass.

Corkscrew Bridge: This term describes wooden bridges that were built to pass over themselves in order to avoid steep inclines on mountain passes. Two of these were built, one on Sylvan Pass in 1905, and the other on Craig Pass in 1891. The bridge on Sylvan Pass, also known as the Spiral Bridge, is the one usually pictured on old post cards and brochures. The bridge was improved in 1917 with a new 60-foot timber trestle and rock fill at the abutments. The wooden trestle was replaced with a concrete arch in 1919. The bridge remains in the bottom of the canyon just east of Avalanche Pass and can be seen when walking along the present road. The bridge is still in remarkably good condition after all these years.

Hope this helps.

Geyser Bob

Subj: Re: Corkscrew Bridge
Date: 9/10/2005
To: geysrbob@hotmail.com
Hi Geyser Bob

Thanks for the information. Just what I wanted. Here is a link to some old lithographs of the park that you may be of interest to you.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v478/fortran_thesis/Yellowstone/

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Corkscrew Bridge
Date: 9/10/2005
From: geysrbob@hotmail.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hey Bob

Great set of pictures - thanks for the link!

Later,

Bob



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Subj: question on Olympic plane crash
Date: 7/21/2005
From: bikodog@comcast.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Elder Bob,

Been checking out your site, very informative and entertaining, I'll be sharing it with friends for sure.

I live in Shelton, and just returned from hiking the Bailey Range last week. We came upon a plane crash at the bottom of the Humes Glacier as you traverse over to Queets Basin. I was wondering if you had any information on the crash. One of my friends said it was a 2 plane collision from the 50's, but didn't know any details. I haven't found anything on the Internet in my search.

Keep up the great site, glad I found it.

Thanks,
Allen Hall

Subj: Re: question on Olympic plane crash
Date: 7/21/2005
To: bikodog@comcast.net

Hi Allen,

Glad you liked my site. Not sure about the plane crash. Did you mean the Humes Glacier near Mt. Olympus? Only two I know about are on Mt. Constance and the Tull Canyon area outside the park in the Buckhorn Wilderness area. Their is still wreckage from the latter. The other one was cleaned up by the Air Force. I will do some searching to see what I can find.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: question on Olympic plane crash
Date: 7/21/2005
From: bikodog@comcast.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com
File: humes.JPG (341906 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP):

It's the Hume's Glacier, next one over from the Hoh Glacier. As you descend to the Queets river you come down a gully full of debris, definitely looks military. I've attached a map with the approximate location of the wreckage. I haven't had any luck on the Internet, so I'm going to the library tomorrow to see if I have any luck.

Thanks for taking a look.
Here's our webcam of the Olympics from our house, looking towards Mt. Ellinor and Washington.
http://home.comcast.net/~bikodog/current.jpg

Thanks again.
Allen Hall

Subject: Plane crash in Olympic National Park
Name: Clarke Stockwell
Date Posted: Apr 24, 06 - 6:26 PM
Email: wa7bvq@att.net

In response to the inquiry about the plane crash debris at the base of the Humes Glacier, it was the result of a mid air collision between two military jets in 1956. Both aircraft crashed in the Queets Basin area. I was with a party of four in the 1958 that discovered the remains of one of the crew in the gully area below the snout of the Humes Glacier. The other 3 crew members survived and bailed out. We had intended to climb Olympus from there but found the Hoh Glacier impassable with numerous crevasses. The summer of 1958 was very hot and dry. We built a large carin and placed the remains inside of it. We reported our findings to the Air Force at McCord AFB upon our return. I still have the letters of appreciation from the Air Force. I am certain that the Air Force sent a recovery party in the next summer to retrieve the remains. I have photos etc if interested. The story was never reported to the news because of a request by the Air Force.

Subject: Re: Plane crash in Olympic National Park
Name: Elder Bob
Date Posted: Apr 25, 06 - 9:40 AM
Email: eiderbob@aol.com

Thanks for the information. I can now add this information to the page on plane crashes in ONP. I will give credit to you. It would be nice if you could send me any photos you have and I can post them. I will give credit to you. Also any more information regarding types of planes, exact date, ect. If the letters are not too personal, then I could post images of them also.

Again, thanks for the information.

Subj: Plane crash in ONP
Date: 4/25/2006
To: wa7bvq@att.net

Hi Clarke,

I posted a reply to your posting on the chat page. I would appreciate any other information you can supply. Dates, types of planes, ect. Also any photos you have. I will post the information and photos giving you credit for them. I did a search once, but could not find any information on the crash. If the letters are not too personal, they would be nice also. Thank you for the information.

Elder Bob

Subj: Plane crash on Humes Glacier
Date: 4/25/2006
To: bikodog@comcast.net

Hi Allen,

Someone just posted more information on the plane crash on the chat page. I have requested more information from him. Hope that helps.

http://pub34.bravenet.com/forum/2915973746

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Plane crash on Humes Glacier
Date: 4/25/2006 4:50:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: bikodog@comcast.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks for the update, let me know if you get more information posted on your website.

We just did a trip last Saturday to Lake Ellinor from the Jefferson Road, and there is a plane crash there, high on the North side of Mt. Washington. I haven't searched for any information on that crash yet. We didn't see any debris as the area is still under tons of snow, but our friends we were with said they saw it last time they were foolish enough to bushwack in there. Much easier travel right now.

Thanks again for getting back to me.

Subj: Re: Plane crash in ONP
Date: 4/28/2006 10:36:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: wa7bvq@att.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Elder Bob,

From my old records I have this information - The crash happened on October 4, 1956 and I believe the planes were two F 89 Scorpions from McCord AFB. Each plane had a two man crew and three of them survived and were retrieved from the Queets Basin area by rescue helicopters. We were on a 18-day backpack up the Elwah and out the Quinault with a 6-day visit to Queets Basin for an attempt on Mt. Olympus. The weather caught us in the Basin so we had time on our hands for exploring. We had visited the area briefly in 1957 but one member injured a knee and we hiked out of Queets Basin in 2 days with very heavy packs. We had found some plane wreckage on that trip as well. The one plane impacted below the snout of the Humes Glacier and there was (is?) quite a bit of it scattered there.

In our exploring we descended a gully and found human remains on August 27, 1958. See photo. These were placed in a cairn and marked with a cross and written description in a small container. This was all reported to the Air Force. They intended to return to retrieve the remains, although it was probably accomplished in 1959.

I have included a photo of Bruce Johnson standing by some of the wreckage, a photo of the gulley where the remains were discovered, a photo of the remains which you may not want to display, and copies of the letter to myself and my father. I was just 20 years old at the time. One of the interesting things that happened was our finding of a full case of C-Rations exposed in the melted Dodwell-Rixon Snow Finger. We ate like Kings for several days back at Chicago Camp and very much enjoyed our good luck. Our only successful climb on the trip was of Mt Christy from Low Divide.

I hope this isn't too big of a download. I don't have the technology to make PDF Files so the letters are in bmp format. I have more photos taken in the Basin and trip in general but nothing else very significant of the wreckage.

I hope to return one of these years to follow the route of Herb Crisler through the Baileys to Queets Basin.

Regards,

Clarke Stockwell

Subj: Re: Plane crash in ONP
Date: 5/2/2006
To: wa7bvq@att.net

Hi Clarke,

Thank you very much for the information. The download was no problem because I have cable. If you come across any more documents, clippings, letters, or photos, I would be interested in seeing them. I have put the information you sent along with the photos and documents onto my web site. Here is a link to where the information is located:
/ELDER/ONP_HISTORY.html#EL8

If I made any mistake, please let me know about them. Again, thanks and good luck on your trek that you want to take. Do not forget to visit Cate's site at :
http://www.windsox.us/

She runs a shuttle service for hikers, but also has lots of information on ONP. She would be happy to include any trip reports you want to contribute to her site on past or future trips, no matter how long ago you did them.

You can find more information about Herb at:
http://www.waltjames.freeservers.com/Crislers/CrislerIndex.htm

Regards,
Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Plane crash on Humes Glacier
Date: 5/2/2006
To: bikodog@comcast.net

Hi Allen,

I received some more information from Clarke on the crash on Humes Glacier. It is now posted on my web site along with some photos and letters. The page is at:
/ELDER/ONP_HISTORY.html#EL8

If you find out anymore about the crash site on Mt. Washington, I would like to know about it also.

Regards,
Elder Bob

Subject: George Bowen reflects on Humes Glacier Crash
Date: 12/12/2006 7:50:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: draff8888@comcast.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

I forwarded your discussion about the crash to my old district ranger and it brought back some memories. Love your section on the Queets.

Boy, that brings back memories. I got rehired after terminating as an Elwha Fire Guard to wrangle a pack string with Gordon Cooke (the Park Trails guy). We took a long string with Air Force demolition guys and gear into Chicago Camp and made a big Base Camp. Day hiked/rode up to the Snow Finger and Dodwell/Rixon Pass and they blew up ordinance. Part of the remains we brought out were in a flight helmet The Radar Observer is the one that couldn't bail out because his ejection system was torqued following the midair collision. We found where he had jerked the manual trigger so hard, it broke.

They were two-two person fighters from Paine Field. Two were picked up not too far from the crash and one followed the Elwha to Hayes River then hiked over Hayden Pass and out the Dosie and was picked up by a logger on the lower Dosie Road. We never could figure out why he made a right turn and just didn't follow the phone line down and out the Elwha.

Side Note: A bull elk was in the vicinity of one of the crashs and must have received concussion blast or something. He was dragging his hind quarters around when the first rescuers got there. There was a veterinarian on one of the Mountain Rescue teams (Dr. Harry Lydiard) who put the critter down.

Side Note #2: What I remember best was sitting around the campfire at Base Camp and listening to Ome Diaber (Mr. Mountain Rescue) spinning tales. Big stuff for an 18 yr old.

Subject: Re: George Bowen reflects on Humes Glacier Crash
Date: 12/12/2006
From: Elder Bob
To: draff8888@comcast.net

Thanks. This is great. I will add it when I get around to it. I like the last part about Ome Diaber. I went on a few rescues with him when I was in Mt. Rescue up there. I remember his mummy sleeping bag that had legs in it so he could walk around while still in it. Also remember using Snow Seal, a silicon water repellant for boots that he invented. Heard his stories about when he was near the South Pole.

Subject: Re: George Bowen reflects on Humes Glacier Crash
Date: 12/12/2006
From: Elder Bob
To: draff8888@comcast.net

Hi again,
If you would like to identify yourself with a real name, I can give you credit on the web site for this information. If not, then I will just identify you by your screen name. I will post the email in the email section, and the information in the plane crash section. I assume George Bowen is the range. Too bad he does not have photos. Ask him if he is aware of any information posted on the internet or in any books I could get from inter library loan.

Thanks again,
Elder Bob



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Subj: Old photos
Date: 7/10/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

I replied to your posting on YNP Chat about old photos of the park.

Geyser Bob has some historical photos on the park. I have a few old lithographs on my photobucket.com site at:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v478/fortran_thesis/Yellowstone/

Geyser Bob's site
http://www.geocities.com/geysrbob/

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Old photos
Date: 7/10/2005
From: indigospring1@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi! Thanks so much for directing me to your site. I am aware of Geyser Bob's website; I'll check it again. Is it OK for me to download some of the images you have posted on your site in case I can use them in my thesis? If I use the image I would credit you as the source. I'm possibly interested in the following numbers:
9, 13, 27,40, 56, and 64
I am particularly interested in number 40 "marmot." It's wonderful to see the old 1/2 tent 1/2 cabin structures and I'm wondering if the building in the background is old Canyon Lodge. Does the postcard indicate the location where the photo was taken? Also, do either of the "bears at dump" photos indicate where in the park the image was taken?

Diane

Subj: Re: Old photos
Date: 7/10/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

Hi Diane,

You can use any of the photos that you want to use. I still have the originals and can re-scan them at any resolution that you need. I have no idea where number 40 was taken. It was taken by my wife's grand parents arount 1920 when they visited the park. They were old balck and white prints with no information other than the date and general location. The rest were either postcards or prints from a book of prints bought in the park. The large ones were in the book and the small ones were postcards. You can copy them instead of trying to use a hotlink. I wrote a thesis many, many years ago for my MS in Geology. It is on line also, but looks crude in comparison to today''s standards. All hand typed. I have no idea on the bear dump. Here is a comment about the dumps:

Today all trash is trucked out of the park. But until just a few decades ago all trash was dumped at two notable sites. One near Rabbit Creek and the other near Trout Creek. Both sites are easily found in 1997. They contain many old bottles and cans of a day gone by.

It and more hidden information about the park can be found at:
http://www.yellowstone-natl-park.com/hidden.htm
Need anything else, let me know.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Old photos
Date: 7/11/2005
From: indigospring1@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi again,

I just did some downloading from your site. It would be a great help to have number 40 scanned at, say, 300 dpi. Then I can enlarge it and inspect/compare to try and determine the location. If this is Canyon Lodge/Camp, it's a GREAT find for my thesis. It may not be, though.

Also, if I use your image(s) and need to cite your collection, I'd like to use your given name (rather than e-name). Would you mind sharing that with me along with your city and state?

Diane Papineau
Livingston, Montana
Graduate Teaching Assistant
Earth Sciences
Montana State University
Bozeman, Montana

Subj: Re: Old photos
Date: 7/11/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

Hi Diane,

So you are at MSU. I took a summer field camp there in geology many years ago. I have been in contact with the geology department there about my web pages on the field camp. My bio is on my main web site. My thesis has my real name also. My real name is Robert L. Reese and I live in Phoenix, AZ at the current time. I will try scanning the photo at a higher resolution.

My thesis page is:
http://www.freewebs.com/fortran_thesis/index.html

My bio is on my regular site under profile.
/index.html

The field camp is under Travelss on the Elder Bob site.

Elder Bob

Subj: Location of photos on website
Date: 7/12/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

I went ahead and put them on a website. You can go to them, right click on them and click on "save picture as" Faster than downloading.
http://elderbob.250free.com/YELLOWSTONE/Cabins_300_1.jpg
http://elderbob.250free.com/YELLOWSTONE/Cabins_300_2.jpg
http://elderbob.250free.com/YELLOWSTONE/Cabins_600_1.jpg
http://elderbob.250free.com/YELLOWSTONE/Cabins_600_2.jpg

Elder Bob

Subj: Mistake on 600 dpi photos
Date: 7/12/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

Web site will not allow hotlinking to photos over 250 kb. So, I put them on a page. You can go to the page, double click on the photos, then save them. Make sure you open the larger ones. Do not save what appears on the page.
http://elderbob.250free.com/ELDER/YELLOWSTONE.html

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Old photos
Date: 7/12/2005
From: indigospring1@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

Thanks so much! I actually had no trouble downloading either file size!

I don't want to make assumptions about each of these images. It looks like the same event just different folks doing the feeding. Would you agree that these images are taken at the same location?

Diane

Subj: Mistake on 600 dpi photos
Date: 7/12/2005
To: indigospring1@yahoo.com

Diane,

Yes I would make that assumption. The people in it are no longer alive, so I cannot ask them. They are in the same location. Just different people and different angles of view.

Ok, I am going to delete the web sites. They were quick and dirty and the host will not like them not being part of the regular web pages.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Fourth of four
Date: 7/12/2005 9:16:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: indigospring1@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks again!!!

Diane

Subject: Photos of Yellowstone in my Canyon thesis
Date: 3/5/2007 11:08:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: dmpapineau@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob!

It has been quite a while since we emailed about your photographs! We emailed previously using a different email address for me (indigospring).

I will be using at least one of your images in my thesis on the historical geography of the Canyon area in Yellowstone. When I use someone's images, I'm citing the image as from "name" Collection. For instance, when I'm using an image from Bob Goss, I'm crediting the Goss Collection and in my references list:

Goss, Robert. Private collection of Yellowstone postcards and other memorabilia. Gardiner, Montana.

So, that means I need your real name (versus your email address), your city and state, and a statement about your collection so that I describe it in my references list appropriately.

Would you please reply with this information so that I may credit you appropriately?

Thank you!

Diane Papineau
Livingston, Montana

Subject: Re: Photos of Yellowstone in my Canyon thesis
Date: 3/5/2007
From: Eiderbob@aol.com
To: dmpapineau@yahoo.com

Robert L. Reese
Phoenix, Arizona
Private collection of Lithographs and photos from Yellowstone National Park
/index.html
Wisdom of Elder Bob

Hi Diane,

I am glad you got some use out of my stuff. Too bad your thesis is almost done. There was another source that has some historical photos from the park. If you revisit the Yellowstone Loon Chat page, you could ask "Roadie" about her source of historical photos. The chat page had a name change.
http://www.the-great-outdoors.net/wwwboard/chat.htm
If your thesis goes online, could you send me a link? I would be interested in seeing the final version. There are probably other Loons that would like to see it also. When I did my MS thesis, it was in the days before PC's. Recently, I scanned the pages and put it on my own web site. Nowadays, you have an easier job doing it.
http://www.freewebs.com/fortran_thesis/index.html
My Elder Bob website has all the lithographs that I have. Good luck on your thesis defense.

Bob Reese AKA Elder Bob

Subject: Re: Photos of Yellowstone in my Canyon thesis
Date: 3/6/2007 1:28:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: dmpapineau@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks Bob!

While I am close to done, I'll probably always be the "dump spot" for Canyon history and imagery. I would very much welcome new imagery related to Canyon. You just never know what someone is sitting on. I'm not quite sure how to reach Roadie without posting my email address to the whole list. My indigospring email expired and I don't want this email address out there. I protect it well.

If you have access to Roadie's email address, I'd sure welcome a direct connection to her.

Thanks again!

Diane



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Subj: Similar websites
Date: 6/22/2005
To: geysrbob@hotmail.com

Hi, I am Elder Bob and I have a website that has jokes, general information and stuff on the history of Olympic National Park. Here is a link to the section on the history:
/ELDER/ONP_HISTORY.html

My main page is at:
/index.html

So in a way, we have similar web sites for two different National Parks. I hang out in Loon Chat which is for people who have a interest in YNP and like to fool around at times instead of being serious. We also discuss personal concerns, current events, photography and what not. Usually have a few trip reports to various locations.

It is at:
http://www.yellowstone-natl-park.com/wwwboard/loon.htm

I can add a link you your site on my links page if you want to add a link to my site on your page somewhere.

Here is a link to some old lithographs of YNP that I scanned. Some are dirty and I have to figure out a way to clean them. You can use any of them that you want to use.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v478/fortran_thesis/Yellowstone/

Elder Bob

Subj: RE: Similar websites
Date: 7/1/2005
From: geysrbob@hotmail.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hello Bob

Sorry to take so long to respond. Quite an interesting site that you have. Nice selection of YNP photos also. Thanks for the offer. I would be happy to list your site on my 'Links' page, and would be happy if you listed mine also. I've never really spent time on chat pages, but will check out the 'Loon' page one of these days.

Best wishes and good luck on your work.

Geyser Bob
Bob Goss
Gardiner, Mt.

Subj: Re: Similar websites
Date: 7/3/2005
To: geysrbob@hotmail.com

Hi Bob,

I have added links to your site in two places on my web site. I put it on the link page and under Inspirational Thoughts. Could not think of a more appropiate spot than that since I already had a story about "Dancing with Elder Bob" on that page. It was about another Elder Bob. Not sure if you will get any traffic from my site, but if someone does a search on google, they will find it there also.

/ELDER/LINKS.html
/ELDER/TABLE.html
/ELDER/INSPIRE.html

Elder Bob
Phoenix, AZ



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Subj: Peter Roose
Date: 6/28/2005
From: Teriastoria
To: EIder Bob

Mr. Elder Bob;

I was quite surprised and delighted to see images of my great Uncle Peter's cabin on your website. I have not visited his homestead since the late 70's. Is it open to the public at this time? We were escorted into the site by park rangers at that time. I would love to learn more about the homestead's current status. Can you recommend other websites that might have more information specifically about Peter and his homestead?

Also, my grandmother was interviewed by a park ranger who was compiling history about the homesteaders of Ozette. These taped interviews took place also in the late 70's I believe. Do you know if the tapes are in state archives or how I might gain access to them?

Thank you for the window to my family history.

Teri Roose Sund

Subj: Re: Peter Roose
Date: 6/28/2005
To: Teriastoria

Hi Teri

I am glad you liked seeing the photos of your great uncle's cabin. I got it out of a book by :

Gail E. H. Evans
Historic Building Inventory
Olympic National Park
ISBN 648
National Park Service
1984 Culture Resources Div.

It would be available through Inter-Library Loan. That is the summation of what I know about the cabin. You may also want to check the following book:

Gail E. H. Evans
Olympic National Park Historic Resources Study
1983
North Olympic Library System

Another source of information about your questions would be the follwing. If they do not know, they can proably direct you to the right source.

Jacilee Wray
Anthropologist
Olympic National Park
600 East Park Ave.
Port Angeles, WA 98362
(360) 565-3051

or try Paul Gleeson at:

paul_gleeson@nps.gov
Chief
Cultural Resources Division
Olympic National Park
360-565-3050

Sorry I cannot suppy you with anymore information.

Regards,

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Peter Roose
Date: 6/29/2005
From: Teriastoria
To: EIder Bob

Elder Bob;

Thank you for the information. I don't have any memories of Peter but will talk with my father who spent a bit of time out at the homestead as a child.

Thanks again!
Teri

Subj: Re: Peter Roose
Date: 6/29/2005
To: Teriastoria

Hi Teri,

I hope the information I sent you will be of some help. If you read my profile on my website you would know I now live in Arizona. If you have any memories or photos of your great uncle, I would like to get them and I can add them to my website about his cabin. I would give you credit for the information.

Thanks
Elder Bob



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Subj: Olympic Peninsula Campground Count
Date: 5/30/2005
From: skimohawk@uswest.net
To: eiderbob@aol.com
CC: infocent@parks.wa.gov, sarah.thirtyacre@wadnr.gov, cate@centurytel.net, skimohawk@qwest.net, bill_braitner@nps.gov

Elder Bob, esq.
Cate, Windsox Shuttle
Mr. Bill Braitner, Superintendent, Olympic National Park
Information Center, Washington State Parks
Sarah Thirtyacre, Washington State DNR

re: information needed on campgrounds on Olympic Peninsula

Current campground count at Olympic National Park:
Total 16 Campgrounds

No. Fork Quinault (9 sites), Graves Creek (30), Altair (30), Deer Park (14),
Dosewallips (30), Elwha (40),
Fairholm (88), Heart o' the Hills (105), Hoh (88), Kalaloch (170), Mora (94) (* plus one walk-in site),
Ozette (15), Queets (20), Sol Duc (82), Staircase (56), South Beach (50)
Formerly, July Creek C.G. had 29 available sites.

If my math is correct, I count a total of 921 campground sites at 16 ONP campgrounds ( available for use by motorized vehicles ).

Subtract Dosewallips ( closed for the last 5 years due to a road washout on NFS land ) ( - 30 )
Subtract Queets ( presently inaccessible due to a road washout at Matheny Creek ) ( - 20 )

With the re-assignment of July Creek CG to a "day use only" area ( due to a root-fungus problem ), 29 sites were made unavailable.

This leaves, at present, 871 available campground sites at 14 campgrounds, down 79 sites and 3 campgrounds from 5 years ago.

I am seeking information only here.
Is the above count accurate?
What other campground sites ( motor vehicle accessible ) are available on the Olympic Peninsula?

There is a "Promised Land" campground on Hwy. 101 about 30 miles north of Hoquiam, which is owned by Rayonier, but I have no idea of how many sites are there.
The DNR has a few. The only one I know of off the top of my head is Yahoo Lake ( on the Queets/Clearwater divide ) which has one shelter and two or three lake-side sites, all of which are walk-in only.
There is a "Bogachiel State Park" just off Hwy. 101, but I have no idea of number of available sites.

There is a tiny ( 4 or 5 sites? ) CG a few miles up the Hoh Road, but I have no idea who owns it or whether or not it is still available. ( I stopped and had lunch there years ago, but only vaguely remember it. )

Those I've just mentioned are the only ones I know of offhand. I'm hoping somebody out there is more educated on this subject than I am.

If you can help me out here with some information, I'd sure appreciate it.

Thank you all very much for your time and consideration,

Brian
email skimohawk@qwest.net

I have a map and brochure DNR mailed to me years ago, but it's pretty old and I doubt it's accurate.
From DNR's website, this is as much as I could gather:

Bear Creek Campground (20 sites), Lyre River Campground (11) Copper Mine Bottom Campground (?), Cottonwood Campground (?), Hoh Oxbow Campground (?), Minnie Peterson Campground (?), South Fork Hoh Campground (?), Upper Clearwater Campground (?), Willoughby Creek Campground (?), Yahoo Lake Campground (?)

Need to find site numbers for them, and determine whether or not they are motor-vehicle accessible sites.

I am fumbling around here at http://www.parks.wa.gov/ but I'm not havin' much luck. I'm way more proficient with a D-ring than a computer.

Again, thanks to all of you for your help.

Subj: Re: Olympic Peninsula Campground Count
Date: 6/1/2005
To: skimohawk@uswest.net

Brian,

Thank you for the email. I am sorry I can not help you. I hope Cate, Sarah or Mr. Braitner can help you.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Olympic Peninsula Campground Count
Date: 6/1/2005
From: skimohawk@uswest.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

No Problem!

I sent this to you because I thought you might want to see the numbers. Kind of looks like campground users are losing ground here. Brian

Subj: RE: Olympic Peninsula Campground Count
Date: 6/1/2005
From: Joyce.Riley@PARKS.WA.GOV
To: skimohawk@uswest.net, eiderbob@aol.com
CC: sarah.thirtyacre@wadnr.gov, cate@centurytel.net, skimohawk@qwest.net, bill_braitner@nps.gov

Web site = "www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Bogachiel&pageno=1"
For Bogachiel:
Campsite Information
The campground offers 36 standard sites, six sites with power and water, one dump station and two restroom buildings with showers (main campground restroom includes ADA-accessible restrooms/showers). One kitchen shelter without electricity is available to campers.

The park accommodates RVs and combinations of 40 feet or less in length. All campsites are first-come, first-served.

Group Accommodations
The park has one group camp for tents. It provides a covered shelter plus two sheltered and two unsheltered picnic tables. The camp accommodates 16 to 20 people. Fees vary with size of the group. To reserve, call the park office at (360) 374-6356.

Thank you,
Joyce Riley (email: joyce.riley@parks.wa.gov)
Customer Service Specialist
Washington State Parks Information Center
(360) 902-8844



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Subj: Status of shelters to be airlifted
Date: 5/15/2005
To: OLYM_EA@nps.gov

I would like to know the current status of airlifting the new shelters to Low Divide and Home Sweet Home. They were have to have been airlifted by now, but there has been no news about it.

Thank You,
Elder Bob

Subj: Question to Olympic National Park
Date: 5/16/2005
From: OLYM_EA@nps.gov
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Dear Elder Bob:

Thank you for your inquiry about the Home Sweet Home and Low Divide shelter project. We currently are involved in a legal challenge in regards to this project and the project has been put on hold. We have no other information at this time.

Nancy Hendricks
Environmental Protection Specialist
Olympic National Park

Subj: Re: Question to Olympic National Park
Date: 5/16/2005
To: OLYM_EA@nps.gov

Thank you

Elder Bob



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Subj: permission to use images
Date: 4/25/2005
From: shirleym@ncesd.org
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Good Afternoon,

I would very much like to use a couple images I found on your website of the Hoh River Valley. Would that be possible?

They would be used in our middle school curriculum as described below. I would love to have your permission.

We are a nonprofit, educational entity that serves 29 public school districts in North Central Washington State. We are in the process of developing an interdisciplinary curriculum project for middle school students based on original source documents of Peter Burnett, Alexander Ross, and Narcissa Whitman and their discovery of the Pacific Northwest. The curriculum will be web-based. It is being designed to be delivered over broadband to our school district and will be available both electronically via the Internet and in downloadable print form (PDF) from our website. We are trying to secure permissions for the use of this work for purely educational purposes.

All copies and distribution of electronic media will be available free of charge to teachers and students. Our site will not contain sponsors or advertising.

Credits for the copyrighted material will be listed in our Sources section, and can be referenced per your specific instructions.

How would I go about securing permissions for the use of this work for purely educational purposes?

Thank you so much!
Shirley Mayer
Phone 509.665.2652 - Fax 509.662.9027
PO Box 1847 - 640 S Mission - Wenatchee, WA 98801
shirleym@ncesd.org

Subj: Re: permission to use images
Date: 4/25/2005
To: shirleym@ncesd.org

Hi Shirley,

You can use any photos you find on my website. If they are photos that I took, then just give credit to me. If the photos came from another source, then do what you want. My photos from Hoh Valley probably came from a government document and are free to the public. Let me know which photos you want to use and I can tell you where they came from. If they are on my site, you can use them.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: permission to use images
Date: 4/30/2005
To: shirleym@ncesd.org

Shirley

When you decide on which photos you want to use, let me know. I may have higher resolution copies available. Some of the ones on the web site are of lower resolution in order for them to load faster.

Bob

Subj: Change in Hoh River Web page
Date: 5/17/2005
To: shirleym@ncesd.org

Hi Shirley,

I have made some changes to my Hoh River web pages. I have changed the displayed photos to be thumbnails to speed up load time for people with dial up. I combined three of the pages into one. There are now two pages instead of four. If you are hotlinking to the photos, you may want to check your links. The original photos are still there, you have to double click on the thumbnails to see them.

Elder Bob



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Subj: no more helicopters
Date: 4/5/2005
From: skimohawk@uswest.net
To: eiderbob@aol.com

I just got off the phone with ONP. Apparently there are no search and rescue helicopters available to the National Park Service at present, as they've all been assigned to Iraq.

I've learned to be self-reliant in the Park after some bad experiences (ie: getting lost ).

Hopefully the general public will be made aware that they are on their own up there, and their cellular phones are not going to provide remedy should they wander too far off-trail.

Subj: helicopters / SAR
Date: 4/6/2005
From: skimohawk@uswest.net
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Elder Bob.

Did a follow-up call on the helicopter story which was aired on the local TV news.
The TV story wasn't "the whole story". I posted a short message on the chat page.
Apparently what's happened is that the military helicopters which were normally available to NPS for SAR may not be available now due to re-assignment to Iraq or other theatres.
The Park Service still has access to helicopters for SAR, but the private firms which own them don't always have the same sort of equipment (hoists) the military does, which may prevent them from being able to pluck a stranded hiker off a cliff or out of a gorge.
ONP isn't going to leave somebody out there stranded, but it may be more of a problem getting them out now depending upon what the circumstances are.
Fortunately, the number of incidents at ONP which require helicopter SAR are limited in number.
Nonetheless, the message needs to be conveyed to the hiking public: don't count on that cell phone for salvation.

thanks. Ski

Subj: Re: helicopters / SAR
Date: 4/6/2005
To: skimohawk@uswest.net

Hi Ski,

Thanks for the followup. Yes, I agree, too many people think a cell phone is their salvation. Only problem is that it does not always work in some areas.

Your information on the helicopters may explain why the two shelters have not been put into place yet at Home Sweet Home and Low Divide. They may have to wait until a helicopter becomes available.

Bob



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Subj: Re: Fishing Hot Spring
Date: 4/4/2005
From: rbrown@redbaritone.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

I saw your lithographs from YNP that you posted on Loon Chat. I was wondering if I could get a copy of the Fishing Hot Spring one at a resolution of about 200 dpi resolution and 48 bit color? I collect old photos of the fishing hot spring.

Thanks,
Robert

Subj: Fishing Hot Spring
Date: 4/4/2005
To: rbrown@redbaritone.com
File: C:\America Online 7.0\misc\temp\Fishing_Spring_42bit.ZIP (310748 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP):

Robert,

Best I can do. I can do RGB color or 42 bit color, but not 48 bit color. I scanned it at 200 dpi resolution. Have attached two photos. This one was not a postcard. Nothing on the bacfk. It was probably in the original book. It is larger than the standard postcard.

My web site is at:
/index.html

It is humor, general information, historical photos of Olympic National Park and stuff from some of my travels. Will be adding more as I go along.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Fishing Hot Spring
Date: 4/4/2005
From: rbrown@redbaritone.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks for all your efforts. I spent 15 minutes on your site already and need to go back and catch the rest. For now, it is back to work!

Robert



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Subj: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/15/2005
From: Jim.Wohlhueter@PACCAR.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Elder Bob,

I have been doing a little research on Herb and Lois Crisler over the past few years. I have photos of Humes Ranch taken in 2000, the dilapidated Cracker Box in Alaska taken in 1998, and Crag Cabin in Colorado in 2002. I understand that Herb built 8 log structures in the National Park. Would you know if there is a map that locates each or if there are explicit instructions for finding each? I would like to find and photograh them all if I can. Thanks for any help you might give me.

Jim Wohlhueter
Kenworth Engineering
425-828-5249

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/15/2005
To: Jim.Wohlhueter@PACCAR.com

Jim

I would like to get copies of any photos you have of his other structures. I could add them to my site with credit to you. There are two ways you could find directions to the exact sites of the ones I posted. One is to request a copy of the books written by Gail E. H. Evans through Inter Library Loan. She gave locations and maps of the shelters. I did not include them on my web page. Some of them may be gone or just a pile of rubble.
Gail E. H. Evans
Olympic National Park Historic Resources Study
1983
North Olympic Library System
Historic Building Inventory
Olympic National Park
ISBN 648
National Park Service
1984 Culture Resources Div.

That is how I got my information on his shelters. Another source is :

Jacilee Wray
Anthropologist
Olympic National Park
600 East Park Ave.
Port Angeles, WA 98362
(360) 565-3051

or try Paul Gleeson at:

paul_gleeson@nps.gov
Chief
Cultural Resources Division
Olympic National Park
360-565-3050

The books have the photos I used on my site. You could scan them and maybe get a better copy than what I have. They are government publications, so there would not be any copyright problems in using them.

Castle-In-The-Cat shelter has collapsed recently according to an ariticle published by Seabury Blair. His article is on my page about the shelter. He may also be able to help you to locate the remaining shelters.

Another source would be the State Historical Library in Olympia, WA.

If you find the shelters, I would appreciate copies of any photos you take so I may add them to my site. Thank you,
Elder Bob

Subj: RE: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/15/2005
From: Jim.Wohlhueter@PACCAR.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Robert,

Through my research into the Crisler’s several years ago I met Dawn Maclaren from Colorado. She did a float trip through the Brooks Mtn range in Alaska and found the remains of the Cracker Box. She also found Crag Cabin in Colorado and sent me photos of both. I lost contact with her in 2001. When I reestablish contact I will get her permission to use the photos and get back to you. It may take a week or two.

I don’t know how much interest you have in the Crislers, but it may interest you to know that I met and had several conversations with Ruby Hult. She was and probably still is alive and well and living in Puyallup. I also have copies of many of Herbs films along with a taped TV interview he did back in the 50’s.

I have a small family web site that I intend to add some Crisler information to. Thanks for the information. I will keep you posted on my progress.

Jim

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/15/2005
To: jwohlhueter@msn.com

Jim,

Thanks for the reply. Did you know about the article in National Geographic on Herb? Years ago he went across the park by himself and lived off the land. Then a few years ago he did it again to prove it could be done. He basically went the same way and lived off the land again. The story of his recent trip was in the National Geographic. Not sure which issue, but your local library should have it.

Send me a link you your web site. I would like to see it. Maybe I can add a link to it on my site and give you a little more exposure. Also if I link to it, then google may pick it up.

Bob

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/15/2005
From: jwohlhueter@msn.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com
File: Herb.zip (202811 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP):

Bob,

I have been neglectful of my site for about a year now. When I get it spruced up and ready to post I will let you know. It may be a few weeks. I have two high school aged boys that are active golfers, baseball and soccer players. It is hard to find the time for the PC. I have seen and copied the article in the Feruary 1974 National Geographic. I have copies of many of the photos taken on that trip from Ruby Hult's collection. Attached is photo number 19 from Ruby's photo album She had over 100 pictures. I sent Dawn Maclaren a letter today. I hope to hear back from her by the end of the week.

Jim

Subj: My home email address
Date: 3/15/2005
From: Jim.Wohlhueter@PACCAR.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

I almost forget. Here is my home email address.

jwohlhueter@msn.com

Thanks again!
Jim Wohlhueter
Kenworth Engineering

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 3/16/2005
To: jwohlhueter@msn.com

Jim,

Thanks for the photos. They are great. Are any more of her photos online? If not, I will have to see if I can get her books through interlibrary loan. Do you know which book has most of the photos?

If you need help with your web page, let me know. I can look at the code and make constructive comments. Do you have a host yet? I can also give you links to a couple of host that are free. I use photobucket.com for storing some of my photos. I have a few other pages online, but they are scattered all over. I keep running out of space and have to find another place to store stuff.

Hope your boys are doing well in their activities. I use to referee youth soccer in Colorado. My daughter and son both refereed with me. My son was on his way to become a state referee. He was the youth referee of the year for Douglas County, SOAC and State of Colorado.

Bob

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 5/24/2005
From: jwohlhueter@msn.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

My Crisler site is up. Let me know what you think.

Jim
www.waltjames.freeservers.com\crislers\crislerindex.htm

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 5/25/2005
To: jwohlhueter@msn.com

Jim,

It looks pretty good so far. I see a few things still need to be added. You can use any of the photos on my web site that you want to use. Most came from government documents and are public domain. No need to reference me. Too bad you cannot enlarge Herb's obit. or get a better scan. I am wondering if you increased the resolution and/or size, if it would be more readable. Also your site map on the left needs some work. I cannot see what is on the bottom. If I try to increase the size of the window, it keeps scrolling down off the bottom. I cannot see the last few lines. It moves and I cannot stop it from moving. I will add a link to your site on my sites. That way google will recognize you sooner if it has not already recognized you.

Thanks for sharing.
Bob

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 5/26/2005
From: jwohlhueter@msn.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Bob,

Thanks for the advice on the site. I may have to stop the menu from moving. Did you notice I added your site to the Crisler related Links page?

Jim

Subj: Re: Herb Crislers Shelters
Date: 5/26/2005
To: jwohlhueter@msn.com

Jim,

Yes, I saw the link to my page. Someone from Michigan using Uunet Technologies has been visiting my site from your site. Is that you? I added links to your site from three of my sites. My sites are listed with google so that should get your site listed soon. It can take a few weeks for that to happen. Google visited my site today. Google usually looks at the title tag and the text on the page. Most people think it looks at the meta tags, but that is usually not true. My main site is the one you linked to. One of the other sites is just a back up and storage area for the freewebs site. The other site is just a storage area for my ONP stuff. I link to it from my main site. The freewebs site is limited on number of files, so I have to use other sites for storage. Here are the three links.

http://www.freewebs.com/onphistory/HISTORY.html - This is a storage site.
http://elderbob.250free.com/ELDER/LINKS.html - This is a storage site and back up site.
/ELDER/LINKS.html - This is the main site.

You could also contact Cate at Windsox Trailhead Shuttle and see if she would include a link to your site on her site. Her site is very popular and is about ONP. My site was a spinoff of her site and that is how mine got listed with google so fast. She may want a link to her site on your site, but you two can work that out.

SHUTTLE@windsox.us

Her site is at:
http://www.windsox.us/

Bob



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Subj: scout high adventure questions...
Date: 1/11/2005
From: dresser_scott@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Bob,

Couple of quick questions for you. I enjoyed your site and looking for some guidance from you since you know the Olympics so well. I am the coach of a scout troop (10 youth 14-15 yrs old) and we are planning our high adventure next August somewhere on the peninsula. We are hoping to break it up into two stops, 3 nights each (somewhere on the northern end and somewhere on the coastal side). My big problem is we have 4 adults attending so our group is 14. Looks like there are a lot of restrictions on groups larger then 12.

Can you please give me any recommendations on where we should camp or specific activities that wee need to work into our trip.

Thank you for your time.

Scott

Subj: Re: scout high adventure questions...
Date: 1/12/2005
To: dresser_scott@yahoo.com

Hi Scott,

If you had read my biography on my web site you would have seen that it has been some time since I have been in ONP. I did spend a lot of time there in my youth. I was a Boy Scout and our troop did a lot of hikes in the area. One hike that was really great was starting out from Sol Duc area, going up to the High Divide and down to Hoh Lake. From there, we went down to the Hoh River and up to Glacier Meadows and climbed Mt. Olympus. We then went back to Hoh Lake and back to Sol Duc. This was done over a weeks time. Most of us were around 12 to 14 years old and had one adult leader. You could break it up and just go to Hoh Lake from Sol Duck and back. Then go over to the ocean and spend time along the coast. Camping in Forks, WA would be nice place. You could go in both directions from Forks. North to Sol Duc and west to the ocean beaches. The area around Sol Duc and Elwha Valley is really nice. You could take a hike up to the Olympic Hot Springs also from Sol Duc. Over by Forks, you could also try the Hoh River Rain Forest. I see no problem in the size of the group if you make reservations ahead of time. Back in my youth, there was no such thing as reservations. You could also go from Sol Duc to Hoh Lake, down to Hoh River and hike out to Hoh River Trailhead. Then you could have Cate with Windsox Trailhead Shuttle drive you back to your cars at Sol Duc.

I strongly suggest you spend time going through the web site for Windsox Trailhead Shuttle. Cate has trip reports and lots of information on the area. You can also email her and ask questions. She would be willing to help you plan your trip and make arrangements for you. Just tell her you know me.
http://www.windsox.us/
SHUTTLE@windsox.us

Bob

Subj: Re: scout high adventure questions...
Date: 1/12/2005
From: dresser_scott@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Bob,

Thank you very much for the response. I will reach out to her.

Have a nice day.

Scott

Subj: Re: scout high adventure questions...
Date: 1/12/2005
To: dresser_scott@yahoo.com

Scott,

Here are a few links that you may find of interest. One is to a site that has maps of the National Parks. There is a good jpg one of ONP with mileage and other information on it. Another link is to a chat page on my site for ONP. Scroll down it and see some of the questions about the park and the replies. Another link to a site that has some misc. information on the park. Once you plan your trip, contact the park about the trails. That area has winter storms that can cause problems with the trails and some become un-usable.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/national_parks.html
http://pub34.bravenet.com/forum/2915973746
http://www.olympic.national-park.com/

Bob

Subj: Re: scout high adventure questions...
Date: 1/13/2005
From: dresser_scott@yahoo.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Those are great (especially the map site). Thanks again Bob.

Scott



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From: EIderBob
Sent: Fri 10/15/2004
To: James Flinn
Subject: Glacier retreating link

This is in response to your posting on Glacier National Park Chat page about retreating glaciers. This link was posted and someone deleted it.
http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/glacier_retreat.htm

Regards

Elder Bob

Subj: RE: Glacier retreating link
Date: 10/16/2004
From: J-Flinn@cornellcollege.edu
To: EIderBob

Thank you very much for you help. I appreciate all responses to my post.

Joey



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Subj: From Glacier Park Chat Page
Date: 9/14/2004
From: Nugenie
To: EIder Bob

Elder Bob,

In your photo of Elder Bob Then, where is the picture taken? I couldn't find anything to relate to that picture. Did I miss something?

Terri

Subj: Re: From Glacier Park Chat Page
Date: 9/14/2004
From: EIderbob

Hi Terri

The photo was taken on the summit of Glacier Peak in Northern Washington State. If you had placed your mouse arrow on the photo, you would have seen a description appear describing it. Next time you return to the site, check out my profile and the photo pages of my life. Same rule applies about the mouse arrow on the photos.

Regards,

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: From Glacier Park Chat Page
Date: 9/19/2004
From: Nugenie
To: EIder Bob

Dear Bob,

Thanks for the info. I had read your bio, but alas had missed the photo section. Thanks for pointing that out to me. So, Glacier Peak, WA, was the place. My husband and I live in PA, 12 miles from State College. I've lived in PA nearly all my life except for a brief time in Jackson, WY, Seattle, WA, and Ellensburg, WA. Beautiful country out there.

You have quite an impressive web site.
Again, thanks for the info.

Terri



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Subject: Original explorers of ONP
Name: Ione Smith
Date Jul 26, 2004
Email: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Hi,

I am one of those boring individuals who is researching old family stories. I am hoping there is someone who might read this and know how to help me. (she says hopefully) The family story goes my grandfather Fred (Frederick) N Atwood was supposedly one of the first to cross the Olympics and into Alaska. It happened around the 1890's. I don't know if he was part of the first expedition, or some later one that pushed right into the D/Y Territory. Does anyone know how to access this kind of information? He spent a good deal of time up in the Dawson Yukon territory (from Seattle) and edited a book by the name of The Gold Book: Progressive Men of the Dawson Yukon Teritory 1930. Any help would be greatly appreciated and I apologize in advance if this forum mostly deals with ONP's many outdoor benefits, I am hoping there would be a history buff somewhere.

From: EIderBob@aol.com
To: ismith@pacific.net.hk
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004
Subject: You have a response at Olympic National Park Chat

I replied to your question. Hope it helps
/ELDER/CHAT.html

Elder Bob

Subj: Olympic National Park Chat
Date: 7/27/2004
From: ismith@pacific.net.hk
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Dear Elder Bob,

Thanks so much for the quick reply!! Actually I did surf around your site and discovered the names of the original six men from the 1889 /90 Press Expedition. I was really surprised b/c I actually thought my Grandfather would have his name as one of those. Then I also came across your chat line and thought "why not just ask?"

Now after spending several hours looking around, I believe I must go back to some letters written to my Grandmother from my Grandfather from the D/Y Territory. At least then I can get some time reference. He may have been in the group that went across the Strait of Juan de Fuca. I shall need to discover their names when I return to Seattle this summer.

See, the problem is that I live in Asia (Hong Kong) right now. I've been researching family for about18 months now and am to the point that I need to spend some time in the Seattle Public Library.

On an aside note, have you ever hear of the Arctic Club from Seattle during your research? Your web site is so extensive and well organized I am impressed! (and thankful). You have really organized your information in an easy to access way. I just wish my target was the Olympic Peninsula/Port Angeles area.

Best,

Ione Smith

Subj: Grandfather
Date: 7/28/2004
To: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Dear Ione,

Thank you for your compliments. I have ordered the book on the exploration of the Olympic Penisula on inter-library load. When I get it, I will look through it for mention of your grandfathers name. There is data on a number of parties that explored the area before it became a park. Is his name Fredrick or Frederick? Two spellings and it makes a difference in doing a search. Here is the email address of two people who work for the park in Port Angeles. They are historians and may have some information for you. Tell them where you are located and they may get the information for you rather then telling you to come to Port Angeles.

jacilee_wray@nps.gov
Jacilee Wray
Anthropologist
Olympic National Park
600 East Park Ave.
Port Angeles, WA 98362
(360) 565-3051

paul_gleeson@nps.gov

Cheers,

Elder Bob

Subject: A source to check
Name: Elder Bob
Date Jul 27, 2004
Email: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi,

You must not have visited my main web page for this forum. There is a section on the history of the ONP. Mostly old buildings and shelters, but some other stuff as well. /ELDER/ONP_HISTORY.html There is one book that might be of interest to you.

THE LAND THAT SLEPT LATE BY ROBERT L. WOODS

It describes all the main exploration parties that went across ONP in different directions along with some good historical photos. Your relative may be mentioned in it. There is another book put out by Gail Evans which may have some more in it also. You will probably have to get it through interlibrary loan. It is:

Historic Resource Study 1983 Olympic National Park By Gail E. H. Evans and T. Allan Comp Cultural Resources Division

The first book should be in your local library if you are in a major city. Otherwise you will have to get it from inter-library loan also.

Good luck and let me know if you find anything of interest that I can add. Even if you have any stories about your relative and his travels in ONP.

Regards
Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Grandfather
Date: 7/30/2004
From: ismith@pacific.net.hk
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thank you Elder Bob for taking a look at that book for me. After checking around more with some relatives, I know that he was in Skagway for some time. He edited a book on his experiences called The Gold Book from Seattle where he spent the rest of his life. I would just really love to pinpoint the actually party he went with along with into or across to the Dawson Yukon Territory and the estimated time frame. His name is spelled differently at different times. Frederic, Frederick and Fred N (Nelson) Atwood. Yes, you are right about the different spellings making a difference too! His father was also named Frederick N Atwood, but stayed in the East (Boston, Maine) area. There are also 2 more following to make a total of 4 Frederick N Atwoods!!

http://www.members.shaw.ca/bchistorian/cw1-a-names.html

This is a link that I found surfing around. Please don't spend too much of your time on this as I won't want to burden you. Thanks for the names of the historians for follow up.

Best,
Ione Smith

Subject: Olympic National Park Chat
Name: Ione Smith
Date Aug 8, 2004
Email: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Dear Elder Bob,

Thanks so much for the quick reply!! Actually I did surf around your site and discovered the names of the original six men from the 1889 /90 Press Expedition. I was really surprised b/c I actually thought my Grandfather would have his name as one of those. Then I also came across your chat line and thought "why not just ask?" Now after spending several hours looking around, I believe I must go back to some letters written to my Grandmother from my Grandfather from the D/Y Territory. At least then I can get some time reference. He may have been in the group that went across the Strait of Juan de Fuca. I shall need to discover their names when I return to Seattle this summer.

See, the problem is that I live in Asia (Hong Kong) right now. I've been researching family for about18 months now and am to the point that I need to spend some time in the Seattle Public Library.

On an aside note, have you ever hear of the Arctic Club from Seattle during your research? Your web site is so extensive and well organized I am impressed! (and thankful). You have really organized your information in an easy to access way. I just wish my target was the Olympic Peninsula/Port Angeles area.

Best,
Ione Smith

Subject: Re: Olympic National Park Chat
Name: Elder Bob
Date Aug 8, 2004
Email: eiderbob@aol.com

Dear Ione,

Thank you for your compliments. I have ordered the book on the exploration of the Olympic Penisula on inter-library load. When I get it, I will look through it for mention of your grandfathers name. There is data on a number of parties that explored the area before it became a park. Is his name Fredrick or Frederick? Two spellings and it makes a difference in doing a search. Here is the email address of two people who work for the park in Port Angeles. They are historians and may have some information for you. Tell them where you are located and they may get the information for you rather then telling you to come to Port Angeles.

jacilee_wray@nps.gov Jacilee Wray Anthropologist Olympic National Park 600 East Park Ave. Port Angeles, WA 98362 (360) 565-3051

paul_gleeson@nps.gov

Cheers,
Elder Bob

Subject: Re: Re: Olympic National Park Chat
Name: Ione Smith
Date Aug 9, 04 - 4:10 PM
Email: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Thank you Elder Bob for taking a look at that book for me. After checking around more with some relatives, I know that he was in Skagway for some time. He edited a book on his experiences called The Gold Book from Seattle where he spent the rest of his life. I would just really love to pinpoint the actually party he went with along with into or across to the Dawson Yukon Territory and the estimated time frame. His name is spelled differently at different times. Frederic, Frederick and Fred N (Nelson) Atwood. Yes, you are right about the different spellings making a difference too! His father was also named Frederick N Atwood, but stayed in the East or perhaps Chicago area. There are also 2 more Fredericks following to make a total of 4 Frederick N Atwoods!! http://www.members.shaw.ca/bchistorian/cw1-a-names.html This is a link that I found surfing around.

Please don't spend too much of your time on this as I won't want to burden you. Thanks for the names of the historians for follow up.

Best,
Ione Smith

Subj: Re: Grandfather
Date: 8/24/2004
To: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Hi Ione,

I got the book I told you about. Sorry to say there is no mention of your grandfather in it. It covered all the parties that explored the ONP that were known. Does not mean he did not do it, but if he did, he was alone or not in a party that made history. Also he could have been in one of the parties, but was not listed as being with them. Your best bet is still to contact the Park Historians in Port Angeles. They may have more information or can guide you to another source.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Grandfather
Date: 9/16/2004 From: ismith@pacific.net.hk
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

Thank you for your help and also searching in the book. I have just returned back to Hong Kong after visiting US for my husband's parents 60th wedding anniversary. I was digging through some old storage looking for the family Bible and I found 2 tablet diaries written by my Grandfather in 1898 whilst he was up in Dawson or thereabouts. He speaks of hoards of mosquitos, a guy building a bridge and charging people 50 cents to cross it one way. I also discovered he was a fresco painter and may have painted some of the theater ceiling up there also. He painted the frescos at the Meeker Mansion in Puyallup owned by Ezra Meeker. So my next job is too go through these diaries and see if I can find details of his A/Y expereinces. He WAS there, but how he got there is uncertain now. There only dates I have are 1898, so he made his way there at least prior to mid-summer of 1898. Also the name Cantwell came up and some records show they worked together as photographers under the name Cantwell and Atwood in Seattle. Best to you and many, many thanks for your help.

Ione Smith

Subj: Re: Grandfather
Date: 9/16/2004
To: ismith@pacific.net.hk

Hi Ione,

Must be nice traveling back and forth from Hong Kong to the States. I grew up in University Place which is part of Tacoma. We lived on Bridgeport way. There was a family down the street from us named Atwood. Cannot remember if it had two t's or just one. They had a boy near my age that I went to school with. Did you have relatives in that area?

Hope you get some useful information from the tablets.

Elder Bob



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Subject: Interest in your WEB site and Ozette area
Date: 8/12/2004 8:19:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: neil@
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob:

I just wanted to pass on that I came across your WEB site regarding history of the Lake Ozette area in ONP. What a wonderful source of information! I've been to Alstrom's Homestead and Roose's Prairie and enjoyed the historical information on these places plus around the Lake itself.

What I was wondering is do you have any information on the settlement of "Seafield" which is about 8 miles or so northwest of Lake Ozette? The TOPO map shows several buildings but little else seems to be known. I've been told that when the National Park took over the land, the people could live on it till their death and then it would pass on as federal land as part of the park.

I've asked several people including Park Rangers and they don't seem to know much about it.

I'm somewhat of a history bufff and have done some light research on the Ozette area. I'm a retired Electrical Engineer that moved to Port Angeles about three years ago.

Sincerely,

Neil Robin

Subj: Re: Interest in your WEB site and Ozette area
Date: 8/12/2004 8:48:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: EIder Bob
To: neil@

Hi Neil,

You are in a better location to get the information than I am. The ONP Historians there in Port Angeles should be able to help you. Try to talk to Jacilee Wray or Paul Gleeson, they are the Historian and Anthropologist there. They should have the two books that I got all of my information from of that area. One book is Olympic National Park Historic Resourse Study by Gail E. H. Evans and the other is Historic Building Inventory, Olympic National Park ISBN 648 by Gail Evans, 1984. Either Jacilee or Paul can give you the complete information on those two books. If they do not have them, then you can order them through Inter-Library Loan. That is how I got them. You should find some information on the Seafield area. I seem to remember reading something about it, but not sure. I was interested in the Ozette area because of the Swedish people that settle there. Jacilee has a trove of old photos and stories of the areas in ONP there also. I wish I had your advantage of being there. I could take a laptop and scanner and spend days there copying photos and stories. They probably would not let you take the material out, but you could scan it. Also you could take a trip to Olympia for more intormation, and Jacille could tell you were to go and what they would have.

I am glad you enjoyed my site. Keep comming back. I have run out of historic infomation for the time being so not much more will be added to it. If you find anything and scan it, could you send me a copy? I am still working as a software engineer and will probably do so as long as I can. I would like to come back to ONP some day. The Rangers usually do not know much about stuff like that. But the historians do.

Good Luck
Regards,

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Interest in your WEB site and Ozette area
Date: 8/13/2004 8:59:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: neil@
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks for the response. I'll try the ONP achieves and see what I can come up with. I met Paul Gleeson about two years ago so I'll look him up again.

I'm about to go on a 3 day kayaking trip to Lake Ozette so I'm going to see if I can find any remains of some of the old homesteads. I have several spots stored in my GPS to investigate. I know their are several dwellings in the area but in a poor state of repair. If I get any good pictures, I'll send them to you.

Thanks again,

Neil

Subj: ONP Information
Date: 8/14/2004
To: neil@robin-wood.com
Date: 8/16/2004

Neil,

Here is a link to a site that may be of interest to you. It has a lot of information on ONP including photos and trip reports. Cate is the one who got me started on my web site. She is a grand lady and lives in Forks.
WINDSOX SHUTTLE HOME PAGE
http://www.windsox.us/

Bob

Subj: Re: Interest in your WEB site and Ozette area
Date: 8/22/2004
From: neil@robin-wood.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob:

Yes, we had a nice trip for one day and got rained out the rest. I've attached 3 pictures that might be of interest to you.
We started from Swan bay and paddled as far as Preacher's Point before the weather was becoming a consideration. After we got back the rain drove us ultimately home to try another weekend. Preacher's Point is where the old church was located but is currently private property for about another 7 years and then its back to the NPS. A very nice well kept home sits on the point as you can see. Wonder what the Park Service will do with it?
The other two pictures were taken on the eastern side of Garden Island. This area is famous for its Lotus Lilly's as you can see. We met up with a lady that was canoeing at Bensons Point who lived in the area for many years. She told us all about the house boats and hippies that were along the Big River just to the east. We went up the river a short distance but it looks like you could navigate quite a ways with Kayaks. She told us that ruins at the entrance have all but vanished now because of the growth of vegatation. We didn't moor the boats in that area so my investigation will have to wait till another time. The sweat house at Benson Point is still there and she said it was built in the 50's.
In talking to one of the Ranger's, he said that some of the land will remain private. Each original property owner was able to strike up more or less their own deal. I was thinking that everything would resort to government land in time.... but that's not true. Several cabins are still alive and well, particulary between Umbrella Bay and Swan Bay. They are rented out as a primitive getaway. The state of repair varies. Access is only by water with maybe one or two exceptions. I was told that Seafield will remain private property.
Rob, who owns the Lost Resort has lots of old pictures of the early settlers plus a video of the Nylund family.
My intention is to explore all around the lake via Kayak but it may take me 2-3 years. :-) It seems like everytime I meet someone who is familiar with the area, I learn something new. One of the ranger's was very helpful as he's also a kayaker and told us where the nice sandy beaches are located. We stopped at one on Boot Bay and it would be a nice spot for boat-in camping. If you can get a little luck with the weather, Lake Ozette has got to be one of the best Kayaking and Canoeing lakes around. Regards,
Neil
http://robin-wood.com So much to do, so little time....

Subj: Re: Interest in your WEB site and Ozette area
Date: 8/22/2004
To: neil@robin-wood.com

Hi Neil,

Great photos. I hope you are able to go back and find some of the old buildings or ruins and get photos of them. Is that you in the one picture? Looks like you had a great time.

Thanks,
Bob

Subj: Any more information on Ozette area?
Date: 10/24/2004
To: neil@robin-wood.com

Have not heard from you again since you sent the three photos of your trip to the lake. Did you go back again or find anymore information on the structures in the area? Thanks
Bob

Subj: Re: Any more information on Ozette area?
Date: 10/25/2004
From: neil@robin-wood.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com No Bob, I didn't get back this year. While on our trip out to the lake I did meet up with a lady who said that she lived on a houseboat where Big River enters the lake. She claimed that several were there and the NPS slowly moved them off the water and surrounding land. She said their were a number of hippies, herself included who wanted to occupy the area. She told us about the "Sweat House" located at Benson point. It was built in the 50's according to her and is still there. We have a picture of it but I don't remember if I sent you a picture. Their is a very nice cabin at Preacher Point but the Ranger's told me that the land will resort to the government in about 7 more years. Did I send you a picture of it?
It seems that the original land owners were left to create their own deal with the US Government. Some did very well and some didn't. This lady said that the government screwed over a number of people in her eyes. It turns out that some pieces of land are still owned "fee simple" but most is under the NPS now.
Throughout the lake you can still see pilings from old docks and signs that buildings existed in a number of spots. Few buildings exist any longer and those that do are on private property. My early TOPO's showed some dwellings on the East side of the lake in particular, but the lady told me that nearly all have decayed down to nothing now. Three are still there but are not on the lake itself. You can read about them at:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5673a4d6-cc3f-41bc-b5c2-76af38b0b9df
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b28bc429-2dcb-4cbf-ae04-f4512d2cc680
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=58ced952-9068-4bae-8b06-cfc7882751b9
These are geocaching sites. Geocaching is a sport that uses GPS to find hidden objects or treasure (such as as old ruins) and the players typically exchange messages and small trinkets. These sites leave no physical objects for the cacher and are called "virtual" because the National Park doesn't want objects left behind on NPS land.
I have a couple of spots that I don't talk about because they contain objects that should not be distrurbed. I've posted a couple of pictures on my WEB site (under Kayaking) of the Lotus Lillies at Garden Island. Their is a grave there but havn't found it yet. I'm planning to be back next summer.

Regards, Neil

http://robin-wood.com So much to do, so little time....



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Subj: chat message
Date: 6/10/2004 11:32:28 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: yogismith9@
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

had a remark about this

Back in my time, the trail was only 4.5 miles from the trailhead. However that has changed, and the latest mileage is reported to be 16 miles. The first 11.5 miles is along what use to be a road. According to the following website, the mileage is still 16 miles. http://www.mountaineerhikes.org/hikedatabase/hikedata_f.html More information can be found on the Windsox Trailhead Shuttle website.http://www.windsox.us/SEAST/seflap.html It is a beautiful hike and the view of the two lakes is well worth the extra mileage.
Enjoy it.
Elder Bob

I can't see this. its always been about 8 miles. 4 miles from the end of the road .. on the old road that is now a trail from the ranger station to the end of the road from your day. and about 4 miles upppp! to flapjack lake. hey I know its not 16 miles...it was 13.5 miles up to homesweethome....and that was way up there.. flapjack is only a hop skip and jump from the ranger station...

your olympia friend, mike

Subj: Re: chat message
Date: 6/10/2004
To: yogismith9@msn.com

Yes and as you saw, I made a correction following that posting.

Elder Bob



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Subj: Do you live in Washington?
Date: 7/2/2004
To: oldtymrs@

Hi Oldtymrs

I grew up in Tacoma. Spent time in the Olympics and Cascades.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Do you live in Washington?
Date: 7/2/2004 8:37:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: oldtymrs@comcast.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Yep. Sumner - 30 miles east of Tacoma. We live on Lake Tapps, if you're familiar with the area, in a little cabin cozy enough for two Loons. :-)

How long ago did you live here and for how long?

Geri

Subj: Re: Do you live in Washington?
Date: 7/2/2004
To: oldtymrs@

Yes, I know Sumner and Lake Tapps. Read my profile on my web site. Few pictures from the area. Have ex-sister-in-law in Milton. Brother in Puyallup and another between Auburn and Kent. His house sits on top of hill on east side of the valley. Big house with garage big enough for very large motor home. He use to own Valley I-5. Mother still in University Place. I was born in Ft. Lewis and grew up in University Place. Graduated from Univ. Puget Sound in 1964 and left then. I come back periodically for visits.

Elder Bob



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Subj: Lateral Loon Thinking - Ken D.
Date: 7/6/2004 3:42:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: kdrury63@
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

I saw your message on the Loon page. I should probably mention that my teenager, Shannon, is actually my stepdaughter and her mother is a very straightforward thinker, so she hasn't been exposed to much lateral thinking before I entered the scene 5 years ago. My other daughter, Kiera, is only 3 years old, so I'd be shocked if she were learning faster than she already is. For example, if her mom asks her if she wants help with dinner, she knows that mom will cut the meat and veggies. However, she knows that if I offer to "help" her, she may end up losing some bites of tasty stuff along the way, so she often tells me not to help her but asks her mom for help.

That in mind, what do you have for them? I'm always up for increasing their learning opportunities.

Ken

Subj: Re: Lateral Loon Thinking - Ken D.
Date: 7/6/2004
To: kdrury63@

Hi Ken,

Sounds like you have two great daughters. The wife may need some more training. LOL Here is a link to the site I get my mind teasers from. Give one a day to your daughters and have them solve it. Some are easy, some are hard. Do not tell anyone in Loon Chat about it. Otherwise, no sense in me posting them if all know the answers.

Bob

http://www.webcom.com/jrudolph/trap_q1.html




Subj: Re: Lateral Loon Thinking - Ken D.
Date: 7/6/2004 4:03:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: kdrury63@
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks. I think I'll send Shannon to the site and she can work on them herself without checking it for myself. That way I can still play on the Loon page if I want to. I have a few books of lateral thinking puzzles, too. Shannon and I used the 12 hour drive time to and from the Park to run through several puzzles from those books. (My wife and youngest daughter did not accompany us, so there was no risk of boring or confusing them to death.)



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Subj: Pictures
Date: 7/14/2004 10:07:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: vdub@
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hello Bob.

The pictures are digital. Canon 10d, D10, one of those D's. I went back to the butt scratching bear and he was in a shadow and I was trying to bring up the stumpbutt connection. Likewise with the osprey, trout, and magpie. The fish was lost in the shadow. The bear by itself was just bright outside and I probably lightened it up a bit too much. I am still learning this digital thing. I used to be heavily in to photography, as in earning a comfortable living and things happened and changed careers. Just got new digital 1 1/2 years ago for fun now. I haven't learned photoshop or like programs yet. \ Some of the shots were cropped and as you can see lightened up a bit. Thanks for your help and appreciate your thoughts.

Regards,
John "vdub" VanWart

PS, Where's the "Elder" Bob originate?

Subj: Re: Pictures
Date: 7/15/2004
To: vdub@

John, Ok, that explains it. Now I understand what you were doing. I either thought you were having problems with your monitor, or you were altering the photos yourself. I do the same. They did not look right to be digital. I use photoshop myself. Have version 4.0 professional. Got it a few years ago as a bootleg copy and it does what I want to do. I know there is ways to adjust for shadow, but I have not learn it yet when taking the photo. My 35 mm Pentax has setting for that, but do not think my digitral does.

Elder Bob is a name I got from Windsox Trailhead Shuttle website. I contributed photos and information to the site and Cate called me "Elder Bob" to preserve my privacy. Then she started adding more stuff that I sent her till it got to be too much. So we created Wisdom of Elder Bob web site. My name is Bob and I am elder in age, not religion. If you read my profile on my web site and the page titled "ABOUT" you will see the connection. I also have a chat page on my site. Nothing like Loon Chat.

/index.html

Windsox is only about the Olympic National Park

http://www.windsox.us/

Bob aka Elder Bob



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Subj: I was not suppose to read it.
Date: 6/11/2004 7:46:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: FIXLEAK
To: EIder Bob

Our thoughts and prays go out to your family and grandaughter. When I hit my knees tonight I will say one for her. Our thoughts will be with you and yours,

Jeff and Cathy

Subj: Re: Hope all goes well.
Date: 6/20/2004
To: FIXLEAK

Thank you. I will let you and others know more when we find out new date. Temporary shunt is closing, so they have to move the date up. If it is like last time, will not know until day before operation. Original one was schedule for July 10, but that should change now.

Elder Bob

Subj: Hope all goes well.
Date: 6/20/2004 9:04:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: FIXLEAK
To: EIder Bob

I will say a prayer again tonight for your grandchild. Be safe and be well, one day we shall meet and laugh together.

All the best,

Jeff and Cathy




Subj: Prayers for your granddaughter
Date: 7/11/2004 3:26:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: Azalbee
To: EIder Bob

Hi Bob,

Just wanted to let you know that Prayers are continuing for you and your family and for your grand daughter.

My office number is 602.254.XXXX ext 217. I work just down the street from the hospital. If you need anything, let me know.

Take care.

God's Blessing.

Greg

"Make a friend, Be a friend, Bring that friend to Christ"
Cursillo #97

Subj: Re: Prayers for your granddaughter
Date: 7/11/2004
To: Azalbee

Greg,

Things are still up in the air here. Still looking for friend to take care of other grand daughter. Wife may have to while I am there. I will call you in the morning to let you know.

Bob



Subj: Aspen reports on the YNP page
Date: 7/29/2004 10:24:05 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: MarkS
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Good morning Bob,

It is great to hear that Aspen is continually improving. I can just see it now. You walking hand in hand with her and just marveling at the great outdoors.

I do really enjoy reading your posts and your sense of humor is great!
Have a great day.

Mark Schulz
Recruiter
Personnel Management Systems, Inc.
(425) 576-1900 ext. 217
Fax (425) 576-1910
www.hrpmsi.com

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www.hrpmsi.com/news.htm Subj: Aspen Loon Page Update
Date: 9/30/2005
From: kdrury63@comcast.net
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

I saw your message to SolfaTara where you talked about Aspen's progress. I didn't want to divert that thread from Tara, but I am so glad to hear that Aspen is doing well. Thank you for bringing us up to speed on her situation. I'll keep sending prayers for her speedy recovery from her next operation.

Take care,
Ken D.

Subj: Re: Aspen Loon Page Update
Date: 10/2/2005
To: kdrury63@comcast.net

Hi Ken,

Thank you for your concerns about Aspen. I have attached a photo of her taken recently showing her walking. As far as we can tell she is doing well. She still has crossed eyes. Eye doctor keeps putting operation off until the weak eye has more strength. Not sure when that will happen. She had a brain scan last week and we are awaiting to hear the results of that. When she was on life support after her birth, there was bleeding on the brain and they cannot determine if any damage was done by it. Hopefully the results of the scan will tell us that. She is developeing alright and does not show any signs of damage. She can talk and has control of all of her motor functions. But the scan was done just to see if anything shows up. They are waiting to see how she improves before the next heart operation. They want her to get as far along as possible and build up her strength. Right now she is one year and eight months old.

Elder Bob

Subj: Re: Aspen Loon Page Update
Date: 10/6/2005
To: kdrury63@comcast.net

Hi Ken,

We got the results back from the brain scan and all seems to be normal. Hopefully she will continue to improve and build up her strength for the next operation. They want to wait until the sniffle season is over for kids here so she will not contact anything in the hospital. She has no immune system due to missing spleen.

Regards,
Elder Bob



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Subj: Congratulations on your new job
Date: 7/30/2004 3:57:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: MarkS@
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

Way to go, enjoy yourself ok?
And keep the updates about Aspen coming.

Mark Schulz
Recruiter
Personnel Management Systems, Inc.
(425) 576-1900 ext. 217
Fax (425) 576-1910
www.hrpmsi.com

Subj: Re: Congratulations on your new job
Date: 7/30/2004


To: MarkS@
Hi Mark,
Thanks and will keep you updated on Aspen. Will see her tomorrow.
Elder Bob



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Date: 6/20/2004

From: sdonlon7

To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

The chat page is really helpful in terms of responses. I only wish I had found it earlier! Guess it's just been a busy spring. I hope more people find it. Someone recommended the site to me.

Thank you so much! Here we goooo!

Stephanie



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Hello Elder Bob!

Delightful site! I stumbled across it tonight and had a lot of fun going through everything!
We've lived in Forks for 9 years and I certainly enjoy your passion for the area! Good people and good times to be had in Forks!!!
Best wishes,
Cheri Fleck (October 3, 2003)

Hi Cheri,

To my knowledge, I have never been to Forks. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. So, how did I wind up in a web site on the Olympic National Park? Many years ago, I was born in Fort Lewis and grew up in University Place. I graduated from Clover Park, then from Univ. of Puget Sound. While there, I was in the Boy Scouts, Explorers, Tacoma Mountaineers and Tacoma Mt. Rescue. I spent much time hiking and climbing in the Cascades and Olympics. I too stumbled upon Cate's web site and started to contribute stories and pictures I had come across to her site. She added my page becauses of all the jokes and information I kept sending her. Cate lives in the Forks area. Enjoy the site and keep visiting it because new stuff is being added all the time.
Elder Bob (October 3, 2003)

Hello Elder Bob!

Oh what a hoot Elder Bob!
I really did think that it was your site with the photo and all! What fun!
Best wishes,
Cheri (October 3, 2003)



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Date: 11/9/03
From: lowell_brooks
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Nice site. It's "complimentary", I believe. (Wanted to be an English teacher, but wife saw how much they made and convinced me to switch to computer science. That wife is gone, but so is career in teaching).
This is to all of you that signed up for the "do not call" law. This week I received a card in the mail that looked all right-- It said "vote for your favorite cola - Pepsi or Coke- and receive a complementary 12 pack"

Regards, George

Hi George

Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed the site.

Regards,
Elder Bob (11/9/03)



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Subj: Story on your web site.
Date: 12/18/03
From: Robert.Bue

To: EIderBob@aol.com

http://www.windsox.us/ELDER/HOAXES.html#EL2

I am trying to find an original source to the story above for my wife. Were you able to ever find any more information?

Robert Bue

Robert,

I got the story as an email from a friend. That email has been goiing around a lot and the original source is probably lost. I did a search on Through a rapist's eyes" and came up with about 8 pages of hits. Most of them just refer to an email as the source. I did not look at all of them. The good news is I also did a search on that and the word "hoax" and only got a couple (including my page) which did not really say it was a hoax. Not like the heart attack one. You can use google and do the same search I did.

Regards,
Elder Bob (12/18/03)




Subj: Heart Attacks and Coughing
Date: 10/16/03
From: amcliff
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Check your sources as this is a hoax dating from 1999. For more info, type in the originator's name, F. Daniel Rochman, MD, into the Google search engine....

Tony Clifford

Hi Tony

Thanks for the information. Check the site again. I have added a warning that it is a hoax.
Elder Bob (10/16/03)



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Subj: re: ONP trails
Date: 1/14/2004
From: skimohawk
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hello Elder Bob.
I've read several of your posts on the web regarding the Queets River trail and the old Shaube homestead. I was poking around on a few sites this morning and thought I'd pass this along:
re: Shaub homestead
As of September 2003, the structure is still standing, although it is in extremely poor condition. The peeled-log ceiling joists have all broken, and the east wall is ready to collapse. I will be surprised if the structure is still standing this next summer.
re: Queets Upper Crossing Way Trail:
The trail sign at 6.0 miles ( on the north bank ) WAS there late last season. From the sign, the way trail heads due east to the river ( about 150 yards ), and picks up again in the north-east corner of the clearing at the Shaub homestead. (Smith Place). The trail meanders back through the forest approx. 1 mile to Tshletshy Creek. IF one knows the route, or is experienced at route-finding off-trail, you can still follow the trail ( or rather the parts which remain ) back to Tshletshy creek. For those who are NOT familiar with the area, or do NOT have a compass and a 7.5 topo, I would recommend staying on the main trail.
re: Lower Crossing Way Trail:
I didn't have time to check the lower end of what remains of this route last season. The trail began at 4.2 miles, where a sign was formerly located. The sign has been removed, so unless one knows the route, the junction there will be hard to discern. There is a nice campsite there on a bench, back in the trees away from the river. The upper end of the trail begins in the south-west corner of the clearing at the Shaub homestead (Smith Place). The first 100 yards of the trail washed into the river a few years ago, making it difficult to find. What little remains of the trail has become so overgrown, and there are so many blow-downs, I was unable to find much of it last year, although I spent the better part of an afternoon trying. The "Custom Correct" map which shows the route is essentially useless, as the river has changed course somewhat along that stretch.
My field notes from last season follow:
Subject: report 08-05-03 - Queets
Date: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:43 AM
Upper Crossing Way Trail:
Route is findable. Appears to have seen use (bootprints in mud on trail). Orange markers on trees still mark route to Tshletshy Creek. Lots of blowdown/brush. I would not recommend this trail for someone carrying a pack. Definitely not for stock use.
Lower Crossing Way Trail (FROM Smith Place):
First 100 feet of trail has washed out ( bank washed out). Follow elk trace up along washed-out area, then connect to trail. "Trail" is overgrown with huckleberry, lots of blowdowns. Saw ONE bootprint along way. Followed two "trails" (or elk traces?), both of which petered out after about 1/2 mile. Saw NO markers, NO cut wood. Not really sure if I really even found the "trail", as the elk traces are well-established enough to deceive me.
Structure at Smith Place:
The small Shaube cabin is still standing, amazingly. The rear (east) wall has deteriorated some more, and a few more ceiling beams have caved in. A good snowfall will bring it down most likely.
I do not have the photos from this last season back from the lab yet.
I am forwarding to you under seperate cover a photo of what remained of the Shaube cabin in August 2002.
Hope the information is of some help.

Ski

Thanks again. Looks like some of the original surrounding structures are gone. Park service does not like maintaing the old structures.

Regards
Elder Bob:



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Subj: nice site
Date: 1/15/2004
From: yogismith9
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hey, not bad, I've been here before but just looking around some more. It reminds me to go back and look at cate's website since I upgraded to broadband...but specifically found the rapist page interesting to say the least. I have a college friend who I am sure might like to see it also...

mike
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the feedback.

Elder Bob (1/15/04)




Subj: GNP Posting and your site
Date: 6/29/2004 9:06:34 AM
From: WilliamsC
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hey Bob (my fiances name, also. I am getting married this Saturday!), Just wanted to let you know I agree with your posting on the GNP page about dogs in the park (it really makes too much sense to check with the wilderness people instead of posing a question like that on a chat page). It is so much better to get into a heated debate involving peoples personal opinions and emotions, donot you think? That is why I am sending this email to you directly instead of posting a reply on the page. I donot feel like getting blasted by the apparent owner of Montana, Dave Parker, yet one more time.

Anyway, I also want to say I clicked on your website and it is quite cool! I liked your comment regarding in defense of the French. Thank you for giving me some ammunition for the nasty comments I still occasionally get when I bring French wine to a party. I also found the rapist info interesting (and it makes sense), and the story about the racist person on the plane. You seem like a nice person. Happy trails to you and your wife!

Cindi

Subj: Re: GNP Posting and your site
Date: 6/29/2004 10:04:39 AM
From: EIder Bob
To: WilliamsC

Hi Cindi

Congratulations on your wedding. Hope you and your new husband have a long and happy life together. We have been married for 32 years now. Glad you liked my site and do visit it from time to time. I update it as I find something of interest or of humor. You should also visit the Loon Chat under the Yellowstone Chat page. It is much wilder than GNP Chat. Dave post a lot there also.

I have had French friends in the past and some of them were quite nice. One time a French coworker was visiting from France. I invited him to our home for supper and offered to show him around. This was after 9/11. He was amazed at the offer. Said it was not like what he had heard about Americans. Another time many years ago, I did the same in Tulsa for another one. Weeks later we got a large box of Maroon Glosse's (sic) in the mail from him. Wife showed them to her French Art Teacher who was amazed and said they were an expensive treat in France.

Our grand daughter is doing well and will have her next surgery on July 12.

Regards,
Bob AKA Elder Bob



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Subj: Re: Texas Quarters
Date: 1/18/2004
From: calvary316
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hello everyone,

Most of you don't know me, however, I did find the Aggie joke funny. I'm not sure where it originated from, but I did find a copy of it on the following web site:

http://www.windsox.us/index.html

After seeing all the satires on quarters (probably on all states at one time or another) I soon saw there is no way to rebut this joke. However, I do have the good fortune of knowing the man who won the competition for creating the design for the Texas state quarter. His name is Daniel Miller. He's from Minnesota (but most of his children were born here) and he's not an Aggie. Like me, he wasn't born here in Texas, but he got here as soon as he could (I'm from Illinois).

Anyway, Daniel is a cool guy. He's a great graphics artist and spent hundreds of hours of his own time developing the design. He did not win any cash prize for his efforts. Just a pat on the back from the Governor and thanks from many well wishers. He did get some unfair comments from people who thought a native born Texan should have won, but he took it in stride and didn't let it bother him. Unfortunately the quarter you see won't entirely be his work. Because of US mint rules, the design will be somewhat changed and the initials of a mint engraver will be put on the final design, not Daniels. But then, who knows, maybe the engraver is an Aggie. And that will be OK too.

Best of all though, I'm glad to know Daniel and his family. Daniel loves Jesus Christ and is a person who cares much for his family. Long ago, many families came to Texas to set up homes, find a living, and worship the Lord. We've done the same. Many more families are doing the same from many states and from all over the world. Texas may not be the fanciest, or have Disney Land, or the perfect mountain scenery, but its home! Praise the Lord.

Sincerely yours,
Steve

Date: 1/18/2004
To: calvary316

Thanks for the credit. The rest of the windsox.usa site is interesting also to you flat landers from Texas.

How many Aggies does it take to eat an armadillo?

Three, one to eat and the other two to watch for cars.

God be with you (Allah Ma'aluk)
Elder Bob



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Subj: Please link to our website
Date: 1/20/2004
From: christian_matsche
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Dear Bob,

After seeing your website it occured to us that you may be interested in linking to our site (www.rainforestpaddlers.com). We are a raft, kayak and mountain bike tour and rental company on the olympic peninsula. We provide half-day and 1 day eco-adventures in the hoh rainforest and sol duc hot springs area, near forks and port angeles washington. we would be very greatful for your help. thank you very much.

Best regards,
Anna and Christian Matsche


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Subj: Re: Please link to our website
Date: 1/20/2004
BCC: christian_matsche

Dear Anna and Christian,

I am glad you replied to me in English and not German. My German ist nicht sehr gut. If I link you, do I get a free trip? LOL (laughing out loud in internet slang). I am not the keeper of my site. I have forwarded your request to the keeper and she will reply to you if she so desires.
Thank you for visiting my site.

Cheers,
Elder Bob




Subj: Re: Your site is linked to ours
Date: 1/21/2004
From: christian_matsche@web.de
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thanks Cate and Bob!
You should come and visit us in the rainforest sometime!

Best regards,
Anna and Christian Matsche




Subj: Free trip
Date: 1/21/2004
From: christian_matsche@web.de
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Dear Bob,

Come up and take a free trip...just bring proof of your link (LOL). No, seriously, we would love to take you rafting or kayaking. Our season begins Feb. 15 so bring your long-johns.

Yours truly,

Anna and Christian



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Subj: Yellowstone hike
Date: 1/23/2004
From: brisley
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Hello Bob:

This is Riley McClelland, a voice from from the long-ago past. With all your sterling adventures, I doubt that you will remember me, but I remember you very well and a great hike we took in July 1964. You, I, and Bryan Harry hiked on Yellowstone's Thunderer Cutoff Trail to Cache Creek and then to Republic Pass. I have a nice slide of you at the Pass. You took a number of black and white pics on the trip. On the way back, we encountered a grizzly that gave each of us the impetus to climb a tree.
I am writing to inquire about some of those black and whites you took of the Republic Pass area and of Amphitheater Peak. Three appeared in an issue of Western Wildlands in 1974 (the magazine is now defunct). With the thousands and thousands of pics you have taken, I don't know if your old photos are filed in a way that particular trip shots can be located. What I am interested in is the several shots that include Bryan Harry and me, in the Republic Pass area. I am interested in obtaining copies if that is at all possible. I realize this is a long shot, but thought I'd give it a try.
I transferred to Glacier National Park in 1965 and am now retired from the NPS and living just outside of Glacier Park. I was sorry to hear of Ira's death in 2003. You both have done so much for trails and conservation. My whole family thanks you.

Best regards,
Riley McClelland, West Glacier, MT

Subj: Re: Yellowstone hike
Date: 1/23/2004
To: brisley

Hello Riley,

I am sorry to dissapoint you, but I am not the Bob you are looking for. During the summer of 64, I was working on a ranch at White Pine, Montana. I then went to graduate school at Missoula. The following summer, I worked for the Bureau of Mines in Butte. From there, it was on to many places and I never was back to Montana. Most of my hiking was done in Washington and Canada.

Elder Bob




Subj: Yellowstone hike
Date: 1/24/2004
From: brisley
To: EIderBob@aol.com

My apologies for mistakenly thinking you were Bob Spring. In searching for his contact address, your e-mail address somehow came up on a google search for Bob Spring, Washington photographer. Sorry for the interruption and thanks for setting me straight.

Riley McClelland

Subj: Re: Yellowstone hike
Date: 1/24/2004
To: brisley

No problem. You are looking for Bob Spring, brother of Ira Spring. Ira died recently and I believe Bob is still living in Bellingham, Washington. The two of them were famous photographers of mountains and associated subjects. I would suggest you visit the library and do a search on their books. Ira and Bob started together when they were boy scouts and later in life, there interest split but they remained close. Try finding the book "Ice Axe, a Camera, and a Jar of Peanut Butter". It gives a history of the twin brothers. Some of the pictures I posted on Windsox's site came from their books. Try doing a phone directory search for Bob Spring in Bellingham, WA

Elder Bob




Subj: Re: Bob Spring's address and phone number
Date: 1/25/2004
From: brisley@bigsky.net
To: EIderBob@aol.com

You are very kind to have looked up Bob Spring's contact information. Given how long it has been since "the" hike, I think I will write rather than phone.

Thanks for your assistance.
Riley McClelland



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Subj: Answer
Date: 2/25/2004
From: DLuster
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Deion Luster
Family Rec & Wellness, Manager

Subj: Re: Answer
Date: 2/25/2004
To: DLuster

Hi Deion,

Here is a link to the answer.
"GRY" Riddle Answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm

Elder Bob




Subj: what's the answer to riddle??
Date: 2/25/2004
From: sales
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Subj: Re: what's the answer to riddle??
Date: 2/25/2004

To: sales
Date: 2/25/2004
"GRY" Riddle Answer

Hi sales,

Here is a link to the answer.
"GRY" Riddle Answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm

Elder Bob




Subj: Date: 2/18/2004
From: jondu12835
To: EIderBob@aol.com

plz tell me the answer

Subj: Re:
Date: 2/18/2004
To: jondu12835

"GRY" Riddle Answer

Hi jondu12835,

Here is a link to the answer.
"GRY" Riddle Answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm

Elder Bob




Subj: re:riddle that will kill your brain
Date: 2/18/2004
From: AngelsR4me624
To: EIder Bob

Ok, I think I'm missing something here, What's the answer???? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love, Bonnie

Subj: Re: riddle that will kill your brain
Date: 2/18/2004
To: AngelsR4me624

Hi Bonnie,

Here is a link to the answer.
"GRY" Riddle Answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm

Elder Bob




Subj: ANSWER
Date: 2/18/2004
From: lorddeath_159
To: EIderBob@aol.com

A RIDDLE THAT'LL KILL YOUR BRAIN....
ANSWER

Subj: Re: ANSWER
Date: 2/18/2004
To: lorddeath_159

here is a link to the answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm
"GRY" Riddle Answer

Elder Bob




Subj: GRY
Date: 10/14/03
From: waknap
To: EIderBob@aol.com

what is the third word?

waknap

Hi waknap

Here is a link to the answer
http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm
"GRY" Riddle Answer

Elder Bob (10/14/03)



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Hi Bob,

I found your website on the Olympic Nat. Pk. and the section on Home Sweet Home Shelter as I remembered it in the many hikes to the shelter in the 1970's, 80's and 90's. Some of the photos of the shelter don't look like the shelter as I remember it.. for example some time in the 1950's they added a floor which greatly increased the shelter's worth. Also they added wooden bunks..four in all..two along the back wall and one on each side of the open face shelter. This shelter built entirely of natural wood cut from around the shelter was built with massive logs that when assembled and supported a roof that was at least ten feet high at its peak. It stood against the heavy snowfall which each year covered the structure. Also the western side of the shelter that faced Mt. Steel was completely open, though some of your pictures show a partial wall which reduced the openness of the shelter by a fourth or so. This shelter was as close to a hiker's heaven as I have ever seen in my hiking days. In the mid 1970's my wife and I as well as my college buddy and his wife found ourselves encamped there during a Japanese typhoon that struck our state with some force.

I can't believe that this monument to our ability to create a beautiful long lasting structures may be replaced by a shanty looking plastic tarp-type structure. With all the resources to replicate the old shelter from the early 1940s or so, why are they contemplating such a thing. It really sounds like someone who knows not the intimacies of hiking in maybe the best park in the nation is suggesting such a thing. Well, if someone in the park agency who knows not the H.S.H. of old is making this decision I guess it would be understandable, someone from behind a desk somewhere. We were infinitely wiser and poorer back in the 30's and 40's, now with helicopters and trips to the moon we live thus. I think the shelter builders of old would definitely need a team of horse and a pack of volunteers something which maybe in short supply now.

Seems like I got distracted since I was really enjoying the ability to go back to Homesweethome shelter through your website and look at the pictures and remember how nice it was to go there all those different times. I wonder if anybody who views your site will volunteer some more pictures of the shelter and the meadow along with its wildlife... hopefully they will. Or even some hiker logs with stories or diaries of hikes into this area.I did like reading the newspaper accounts of peoples opinions of the shelter reconstruction. Thanks.

Mike Smith(March 27, 2004)

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the feed back. I appreciate it and hope more people will respond with comments or suggestions.

Elder Bob(March 27, 2004)



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Elder Bob,

Thanks for the write up on your travels up in the Queets country. George A. Shaube was my grandfather, whom, as a kid, I cherished as my best friend and probably will never be able to replace as just that - my best friend. I miss him dearly, so seeing his name live on in your write up does my heart good.

Take care,

Mike Lujan,(March 30, 2004)mlujan@ix.netcom.com
Grandson of George and Alta Shaube

Hi Mike,

I am glad my site was of interest to you and you enjoyed seeing your grand father's name. I hope you visited the other site that covered more of what happen to your grand father's homestead when it was taken over by Smith. I got my information from a publication by the Olympic National Park Service on Historic Buildings in the Park by Gail Evans which is available on inter-library loan. The other site is:

http://www.windsox.us/SPARES/SKI.html

If you want to send me any stories about your grand father and what he did after leaving the Queets area, I would be more than happy to add it to the page.

Regards,

Elder Bob (March 30, 2004)




Subj: Shaube Cabin
Date: 4/4/2004
To: mlujan@ix.netcom.com

Hi Mike,

My other free site has been down the last 5 days, so I switched over to a new site until it comes up again. My new site is: /index.html

If you go there and click on ONP History, you will see the story on your grandfather's place plus some pictures that you may not have seen before. Also a link to Ski's page with information on Mr. Smith and what he did to the cabin after he got it.

If you click on E-Mails, you will see your e-mail to me. Again, if you have any further information on your grandfather, please send it and I will include it under the ONP History page for the Shaube Place.

I did a search on your Grandfather's name and saw data on your mother.

Regards,

Elder Bob




Subj: Re: Your Grandfathers Picture
Date: 5/6/2004
From: mlujan@ix.netcom.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

Thank you very much.

Below is what I sent to Ski this past week, along with photos (attached) of my grandfather building the cabin and one of my grandmother (Alta, for whom Alta Creek was named) sitting with my uncle (approx. 76 years old now) sitting on the front porch. Some of my dates may be a bit off. Ski has passed this information on to a couple of other folks as well.

The Special Life of George Albert Shaube

(Summarized by his grandson, Michael Lujan, from notes and other materials collected by Michael's mother, Mary Ann, daughter of George Shaube)

NOTE FROM ELDER BOB:
The body of the email can be found at the following link.

It was not included here because of duplication.

I hope you enjoy all of this. It was very meaningful for me to do it. My grandfather was a most special person in my life - still is.

Mike


Subj: Re: Your Grandfathers Picture
Date: 5/6/2004 7:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: EIder Bob
To: mlujan

Thanks for the reply. I will coordinate this with Ski and Cate so we do not duplicate efforts. Will wait to see what Ski does. His stuff is usually posted on Cate's website, so I will just link to it from my website. We try not to duplicate what the other has done.

Elder Bob




Subj: Re: Your Grandfathers Picture
Date: 5/7/2004
From: mlujan@ix.netcom.com
To: EIderBob@aol.com

That sounds fine. I have been receiving E-mails from you, Ski, and Cate, and it appears as if the information has been received (the photos and accompanying "discourse" and the chronological time line of my grandfather's life). Perhaps a little coordination is all it needs to get it on the Web site(s). Thank you all for coordinating this!

Mike



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Subj: Questions for Elder Bob
Date: 5/9/2004 3:54:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: jereb
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

I read this and your comments generated a few questions.

Most posts use the phrase "current administration" to refer to the bunch in office on the Potomac and specifically, the POTUS. If you are commenting on Olympic National Park management, please skip over to the line starting "Regards," and continue from there.

Are you complaining that the current administration is somehow shoddier than previous editions because ONP was not provided with every conceivable budget dollar? Or is it equally possible that local management at ONP chose to spend the available budget on something they considered more important? Are you implying that Castle-in-the Cat Shelter stood pristine and pure until January 2001 and rotted to nothingness in three plus years only because of dereliction of duty on the part of the current administration?

My estimate of your credibility slipped a couple of notches over this one.

Regards,

jereb (another old geezer)

Posted by ElderBob (198.81.26.71) on 22:38:53 05/04/04

In Reply to: Greater Yellowstone Coalition Action Alert posted by Veronica

Hi Veronica,

Thanks for sharing. I agree with the actions even if I am not a tree hugger. They seem to be reasonable and not as bad as some actions in other areas have been in the past. I think the saving of the historical dining building is as important as the status of the BLM land to the north. Too many historical buildings have gone away due to lack of interest in saving them. A good example is some of the historical buildings and shelters in the Olympic National Park were allowed to rot away because previous administrations did not believe they should remain. Castle-in-the-Cat Shelter is a good example. It is gone now.

Date: 5/10/2004 8:40:00 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: EIder Bob
To: jereb

Hi Jereb,

It has nothing to do with budgets or lack of money. I have read countless studies and actions by various outdoor groups and ONP Service. The conclusion is that some do not want the shelters and buildings to stay. In the early days, there was a massive construction of shelters, trails, telephone lines, and lookouts. Early days meaning prior to the park creation and early 40's. Somewhere along the line, the philosphy changed and the ONP Service did not want some of the shelters to remain. Castle-in-the-Cat was not a offiical ONP shelter. It was built by Herb Grisler who did the films for Walt Disney. As a lad, I remember some of those shelters. Back in those days, we did not carry a tent. We relied on the shelters. I read the Building Inventory Study by Gail Evans and some of the comments in it about preserving the shelters. It is not a question of money, but philosphy and returning the park to its natural state. Visit my web site and go to the ONP History section and read the information I put there. The most interesting one is about Home Sweet Home Shelter and what the park service is doing there. They want to replace the old shelter with a new one. It is quite controversial. Also visit the page on the Castle-in-the-Cat Shelter and see what other people felt about it. If I am out hiking and it is storming, it would be nice to find a shelter somewhere nearby. In my life time, I have seen many historical buildings destoryed in both the cities and forest. Each time one goes, a part of our history goes. I cannot say which administration changed the policy on the shelters. I cannot say if it was local or all the way up to the people in Washington, DC.

If you want to have your comments or opinions posted, feel free to email me with them and I will put them in the appropiate place in my web site. Either in the email section, or in the ONP History Section. Visit my site and look around. I also have a Chat Page similar to the Yellostone Chat page where people can post comments or questions.

Look forward to your reply. Oh, yes, your email and my reply will go into the email section.

Elder Bob



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Subject: Mining History in Park
Date: 5/05/2004 14:20:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: eiderbob@aol.com
To: paul_gleeson@nps.gov

Paul,

I was looking at the Web site for the ONP and was interested in the mining history of the park.

The resources I have are limited and would like to know if you have any information that you can send to me.

Thank You,

Bob aka Elder Bob

Subject: Re: Mining History in Park
Date: 5/05/2004 8:56:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: paul_gleeson@nps.gov
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Hi Bob,

Here is the information that I have. I hope it is enough for you.

Regards,

Paul

Subject: Re: Mining History in Park
Date: 5/06/2004 8:56:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: paul_gleeson@nps.gov
To: eiderbob@aol.com

Bob,

The park service also did a multiple property nomination for the old Pacific Northwest region. The document address the few mines of Olympic in about five pages. If you would send me your address, I could mail those pages to you.

Paul

Subject: Re: From ParkNet - Mining History in Park
Date: 5/10/2004 10:20:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: eiderbob@aol.com
To: paul_gleeson@nps.gov

Paul,

I received your package today. Thank you for your prompt reply. When I add it to my web page, I will send you a link to show you what it was for with credit to you as its source.

Bob aka Elder Bob

Subject: Re: From ParkNet - Mining History in Park
Date: 5/11/2004 2:56:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: eiderbob@aol.com
To: paul_gleeson@nps.gov

Paul,

Again, thanks for the information you sent me via snail mail. I have added it to my web site and gave you credit for furnishing it to me. Visit the following site and then click on Mining History. I have a MS in Geology from Arizona State University. I grew up in Tacoma and spent a lot of time in the Olympics. Read my profile if you have time. After going to the following site, click on Site Map and then biography.

/ELDER/ONP_HISTORY.html

Bob aka Elder Bob



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